CDJ withdrawn from paris

[tristars]

If you have to use a special tool to determine if the noseband is too tight or not, it is

 

[little_critter]

If you have to use a special tool to determine if the noseband is too tight or not, it is

I remember when I went to an area festival and had my first tack check. The steward commented she could see from the other side of the school that my noseband was plenty slack enough!

 

[PoppyAnderson]

Was it not in a competition??

Yes, it was at a competition. I didn't report on the day. I should have. I contacted their sponsor the day after. I, of course, regret not reporting at the time. I think about it a lot and I've been giving much thought over the last few days as to how I can do my bit in the future to advocate for horses.

 

[blitznbobs]

Yes, it was at a competition. I didn't report on the day. I should have. I contacted their sponsor the day after. I, of course, regret not reporting at the time. I think about it a lot and I've been giving much thought over the last few days as to how I can do my bit in the future to advocate for horses.

I agree if the culture is to change then reporting abuse has to become the norm

 

[blitznbobs]

If you have to use a special tool to determine if the noseband is too tight or not, it is

There has to be a standard or you can’t police the rule fairly … as what is too tight to one is not too tight for another… so having a standard is
Necessary if it is to be used in competition

 

[tda]

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That’s cool!

Never seen it being used IRL…

Did we not just use a finger to check the gap

 

[tristars]

If you cant be relied on to fasten a simple noseband correctly should you be at a competition, the fact its deemed necessary to test says a lot

 

[splashgirl45]

Did we not just use a finger to check the gap

Maybe because people’s fingers are different so a tool can make sure it’s the same whoever checks. I’ve never seen it used though

 

[Tiddlypom]

Did we not just use a finger to check the gap

Not for home use, but for tack checks at competitions, I think it (the green widget) is a great idea, and easy to enforce. I’ve been the tack check steward on occasions, and I was pretty strict, but I would still welcome this.

 

[tristars]

Perhaps they should pass an exam before being allowed to compete, including how to fasten a noseband

 

[PurpleSpots]

Going back a few posts... We can't be certain that CDJ was still actively training horses in the way depicted in the video.

I was never a fan of hers, even when riding Valegro, because I could see the force and pressure down the reins and in the way the horses were ridden, and the stress in them.

BUT in more recent times, I felt I could see more sensitivity in how the horses were ridden and more softness in their way of going.

I found myself wondering whether motherhood had been a catalyst for realisation and change.

 

[paddy555]

If you have to use a special tool to determine if the noseband is too tight or not, it is

try not to use commonsense tristars.

 

[Pinkvboots]

I think a correctly fitted cavesson or no noseband should be equal options.

I think crank nosebands should be banned.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

What sounds unlikely? That if I name them that it'll be deleted or that it actually happens? If it's the latter, I can assure you it happens and I've seen it with my own eyes. A well known female GP dressage rider for one. Bar of soap shoved right into the horses mouth and rubbed all over the bit. It's a vile practice. She did at least have the good grace to apologise to the horse whilst she was doing it.....
Marshmallow fluff is used for a different reason.

what on earth is doing that supposed to achieve??

 

[canteron]

Going back a few posts... We can't be certain that CDJ was still actively training horses in the way depicted in the video.

I was never a fan of hers, even when riding Valegro, because I could see the force and pressure down the reins and in the way the horses were ridden, and the stress in them.

BUT in more recent times, I felt I could see more sensitivity in how the horses were ridden and more softness in their way of going.

I found myself wondering whether motherhood had been a catalyst for realisation and change.

One of the reaons the response has been so strong is that she implied it was 'one off' when I don't think anyone who looked at the video believes that.

Maybe if her response had been more along the lines that she is upset that she ever trained like that, and now has a much more sympathetic training method, she would have given herself space to open that conversation and maybe become an ambassador for change.

 

[Tiddlypom]

A well fitted crank noseband, despite the name, has no crank effect, it’s a comfortable noseband that can be fitted very loosely. I have them on my Sabre Cordoba sensitive bridles, and they have plenty of room to wiggle a load of fingers inside the noseband.

 

[tristars]

Well cba any more,how about if the gob is shut so tight so you can't swallow your own saliva, and you can't move your jaw sideways, and everyone thinks it's great that you dribble all over the place because its such a good sign you are on the bit, and of course you are performing because you are so happy,and it's got nothing to do with you being g terrified not to because someone beat the crap out of you

 

[PurpleSpots]

One of the reaons the response has been so strong is that she implied it was 'one off' when I don't think anyone who looked at the video believes that.

Maybe if her response had been more along the lines that she is upset that she ever trained like that, and now has a much more sympathetic training method, she would have given herself space to open that conversation and maybe become an ambassador for change.

I totally agree. I do wonder how much input the PR team had with regards the statement that was released.

 

[blitznbobs]

I think crank nosebands should be banned.

Contrary to popular belief,Crank nose bands are kinder than old fashioned buckled cavessons. There is no point of pressure … it’s evenly distributed unlike in a normal cavesson.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

Like a lot of tools kind enough when used correctly but too often, and too easily, abused as a quick fix rather than training more slowly and sympathetically.

 

[PurpleSpots]

Contrary to popular belief,Crank nose bands are kinder than old fashioned buckled cavessons. There is no point of pressure … it’s evenly distributed unlike in a normal cavesson.

I can't see how this is true if the normal cavesson is used loosely?

Surely the usefulness of the crank only comes into play when noseband pressure/tightness is introduced?

 

[Pinkvboots]

Contrary to popular belief,Crank nose bands are kinder than old fashioned buckled cavessons. There is no point of pressure … it’s evenly distributed unlike in a normal cavesson.

Maybe but people abuse them and have them far to tight.

 

[criso]

I can't see how this is true if the normal cavesson is used loosely?

Surely the usefulness of the crank only comes into play when noseband pressure/tightness is introduced?

This is part of the testing that Fairfax did before designing their bridles and nosebands.

I think they used some sort of sensors and gait analysis to measure response so it wasn't humans interpreting how the horse was feet

I saw other reports on the testing I can't find now where they said they couldn't believe some of their findings as they assumed the same as you.

Bridle Testing & Design

Researchers tested under all areas of a large number of bridles on a variety of horses using Pliance pressure mapping technology and gait analysis to identify the exact location of high-pressure zones and demonstrate the performance improvements when bridle pressure is removed.

fairfaxsaddles.com

Just to add my previous horse hated any sort of Cavesson no matter how loose. Something about its position irritated him. He liked a drop

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Crank nosebands should've been named something else. I think then people would be less alarmist about it. You can get a regular noseband pretty damn tight too. I find crank nosebands to have a decent ergonomic design.

Banning crank nosebands is not where to start or where to go, IMO.

 

[Orangehorse]

Why would a horse want to open his mouth unless he is uncomfortable?

Sometimes a young horse will try to get his tongue over the bit.

I don't really like to see a bridle without a noseband, but I've never used a tight noseband.

 

[PurpleSpots]

Sometimes a young horse will try to get his tongue over the bit.

I don't really like to see a bridle without a noseband, but I've never used a tight noseband.

In that instance it may not be bit-induced discomfort causing the mouth opening, likely confusion or resistance to training - or tooth/jaw pain exacerbated by the bit rather than the bit itself... Or other reasons that aren't springing to mind right now. Regardless, the horse still needs to be able to express these things and have the humans work to help rather than silence him.

 

[eahotson]

What sounds unlikely? That if I name them that it'll be deleted or that it actually happens? If it's the latter, I can assure you it happens and I've seen it with my own eyes. A well known female GP dressage rider for one. Bar of soap shoved right into the horses mouth and rubbed all over the bit. It's a vile practice. She did at least have the good grace to apologise to the horse whilst she was doing it.....
Marshmallow fluff is used for a different reason.

Is there no depths they will not sink to?

 

[maya2008]

Sometimes a young horse will try to get his tongue over the bit.

I don't really like to see a bridle without a noseband, but I've never used a tight noseband.

They do, but if you ignore them, they usually change their minds on that idea (unless needing dentist, in which case it can be a protective move that disappears once he has been!).

Yesterday, I swapped little cob’s bit. She went, ‘Ugh, what is that? Tongue over.’ We ignored her. Five minutes into the ride I could see her determinedly trying to get it back under again, so we stopped, I leaned down from my pony and dropped the side of the bridle down, helped her get her tongue back under then did it up again. Happy pony.

 

[whizzer]

Am I right that I heard her say she "knows the situation" and that the person filming the video is the owner of the horse?

Yes, she definitely said that. I rewound it to recheck I'd heard correctly!

 

[Sanversera]

New dressage rule of only a mullen mouth jointed or french link snaffle and no noseband at all would help with the abuse situation I think.