CDJ withdrawn from paris

[Flowerofthefen]

Just as an aside... I commented on a fb post a few years ago. The post showed a video of a 4 yo at its first show. Everyone was gushing at how fantastic it was. It's legs were all over the place. I didn't follow the others, I commented that I doubt it would be sound in a few years. I got slated. I really wish I had made a note of the horses name to see if it is in fact still competing.

 

[sbloom]

Just as an aside... I commented on a fb post a few years ago. The post showed a video of a 4 yo at its first show. Everyone was gushing at how fantastic it was. It's legs were all over the place. I didn't follow the others, I commented that I doubt it would be sound in a few years. I got slated. I really wish I had made a note of the horses name to see if it is in fact still competing.

Oh the eye rolling I got when I commented negatively Blue Hors Matine and Totilas...and leaving an early Anky demo absolutely disillusioned.

 

[Crazy_cat_lady]

Are horses being damaged long term for "sport"

There's all the posts about people's ex racers on here who are broken often beyond repair

You have all these dressage horses who look like their legs are on the point of dislocating

The wastage of these "industries" must be huge

I'm not a dog person but I've seen about the extreme breedings in German shepherd's to comply with show ring expectations

When does this all hit the point of "just because we can doesn't mean we should?"

 

[IrishMilo]

Thanks, teapot, for the image search . The original and the H&H work experience trainee photoshopped version.



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Can someone link me to the online article /magazine edition of this photo? I'm going to complain to HH and you all should too. Absolutely terrible behaviour.

I know I'm late but only just seen it!

 

[Tiddlypom]

Can someone link me to the online article /magazine edition of this photo? I'm going to complain to HH and you all should too. Absolutely terrible behaviour.

I know I'm late but only just seen it!

The photoshopped photo is on the Horse and Hound front cover of the 15 August 2024 edition.

 

[Bruce17]

Eurodressage are reporting that Times Kismet is now with Jessica von Bredow Werndl

 

[Mimsyborogrove]

Eurodressage are reporting that Times Kismet is now with Jessica von Bredow Werndl

Yes Jessica posted a photo of her on her instagram account yesterday. Quite apart from the welfare issues ,you can’t put an upcoming young horse’s career on ice can you.

 

[eahotson]

Well Charlotte is no longer able to compete her so I suppose it makes sense.

 

[PurpleSpots]

I think it is sad we have lost a good GB horse to another country.

I also have reservations about how TSF Dalera moved, could never understand her scores, and think it would be sad to see Kismet start to move in the same way if it's training that did that.

I believe JvB-W has ties to Helgstrand?

 

[nikicb]

Charlotte Dujardin's British Team Horse Imhotep Sold to Austria

Imhotep, Charlotte Dujardin's 2022 WEG and 2023 EDC medal winning ride, has been sold to Austria.

eurodressage.com

And now Pete, although the article does say that the sales process started before the video came to light.

 

[PoppyAnderson]

Seems like she's hemorrhaging horses.

 

[scats]

I can’t see her stepping back into the limelight again. I think she will likely retire from the sport now.

 

[Bruce17]

I can’t see her stepping back into the limelight again. I think she will likely retire from the sport now.

I hope not. I don't think she deserves to lose her whole career.

Although one of the comments on the eurodressage says she's pregnant with her second child (not sure if true as havent seen it anywhere?), so perhaps she may be taking some further time away anyway.

 

[JenJ]

The pregnancy (according to Tattle!) is widely known about in the dressage world, and she was in the early stages during the Olympics.

 

[nikicb]

At the end of the day, I can completely understand the owners not wanting to just keep the horse ticking over at home, whilst waiting for there to be some decision about how long Charlotte will be out of the game for (either dictated by the FEI or Charlotte herself). So the option is either to find another home rider or sell whilst the horse is still at the top of their game. Given how easily horses break, financially, selling seems like a sensible decision.

 

[shortstuff99]

Interesting comments from MSJ on the stud page under the article about freestyle becoming world number 1

 

[CanteringCarrot]

 

[eahotson]

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Very interesting.

 

[TPO]

I'm pretty certain there was a falling out, prior to the video and nothing to do with anything of that ilk, and now apparently it's a free for all to insinuate anything using wooly, but evocative, language.

A soft tissue injury, for example, can happen to any horse and need a lot of time off then rehab. It doesn't mean that a horse with a soft tissue injury has been kept, trained or ridden in an abusive way.

 

[misst]

I'm pretty certain there was a falling out, prior to the video and nothing to do with anything of that ilk, and now apparently it's a free for all to insinuate anything using wooly, but evocative, language.

A soft tissue injury, for example, can happen to any horse and need a lot of time off then rehab. It doesn't mean that a horse with a soft tissue injury has been kept, trained or ridden in an abusive way.

I guess that's fair and reasonable comment. I didn't look at it that way.

 

[shortstuff99]

I'm pretty certain there was a falling out, prior to the video and nothing to do with anything of that ilk, and now apparently it's a free for all to insinuate anything using wooly, but evocative, language.

A soft tissue injury, for example, can happen to any horse and need a lot of time off then rehab. It doesn't mean that a horse with a soft tissue injury has been kept, trained or ridden in an abusive way.

It doesn't, but it is interesting the way MSJ has worded the comment doesn't exactly cool the flames does it?

 

[TPO]

It doesn't, but it is interesting the way MSJ has worded the comment doesn't exactly cool the flames does it?

That's my point. It's evocative wording but vague enough to not be libel.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

Msj Emma posted on Instagram shortly after the cdj story broke in a way that suggested she was supportive of Charlotte (though this was after freestyle's quiet move) but again it was very vague in a naming-no-names type way.

 

[equinerebel]

It does stoke the flames and I'm sure if there was a falling out there is motive involved, but, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...... it's probably a duck.

 

[TPO]

Which is fine if you actually know about ducks, have the facts about the duck's injuries and know how the duck was kept and trained.

A singular 45 second clip over a lifetime of training, riding and competing isn't going to make me blindly believe everything posted on the Internet. Especially not by anyone who could have an axe to grind.

Is critical thinking a lost art?

 

[eahotson]

To be honest I don't think we will ever know the full truth.In my personal opinion and that is all it is, I think Charlotte was probably harsh but no harsher than most of the others.

 

[Teaselmeg]

I'm not sure you can say she is being trained in a softer way now, given the riders connection to the Helgstrand training methods I feel very sorry for the mare

 

[equinerebel]

Which is fine if you actually know about ducks, have the facts about the duck's injuries and know how the duck was kept and trained.

A singular 45 second clip over a lifetime of training, riding and competing isn't going to make me blindly believe everything posted on the Internet. Especially not by anyone who could have an axe to grind.

Is critical thinking a lost art?

I'm not sure what information you think I'm missing from the video that was posted. It was clearly normalised abuse and CDJ agreed that it was abuse (but disputed the normalised part, of course).

If we have evidence and admittance of abusive training methods, it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that another horse was also subjected to said training methods by the same person.

 

[TPO]

I'm not sure what information you think I'm missing from the video that was posted. It was clearly normalised abuse and CDJ agreed that it was abuse (but disputed the normalised part, of course).

If we have evidence and admittance of abusive training methods, it's not completely out of the realm of possibility that another horse was also subjected to said training methods by the same person.

"Normalised abuse"? A 45 second video of 45-60 minute training lesson does not normalise abuse.

You have zero evidence of how CDJ herself is training horses at home.

So everyone who posts on here about their horses soft tissue injuries must be subjecting their horses to an abusive training regime and practices? Come on

 

[equinerebel]

We're clearly not going to agree on this topic, so I'll leave it at that.