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The only thing I can think is that they are "teaching" the foal to stay close to its mother when she's led around for the grading process.
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Not sure - she isn’t a friend and there’s no price on the ad. Whatever it is is too much if you ask me. A horse that is 1/10 lame is lame and hacking a lame horse is not right.

I sold mine after a catastrophic failed vetting. I knew the vetting was wrong and he was sound, but the buyer took an enormous gamble. In the end she got a superstar horse incredibly cheaply, had him revetted with a different vet and he passed with flying colours. Her gamble paid off, and he has a lovely, lovely home. So apart from the 5k I lost, its all good!

I've bought lame horses. Still have the one who was the worst, he's pushing 20 now and still in work, he was in very hard work doing driving trials for a bit as well.

There are people who will take a punt, esp if the lameness is in the foot.
 

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This reminded me of a video I was shown on a course once of people using donkeys to halter train bulls. Apparently it is a very successful technique!


An acquaintance frome the USA once gifted me a book about oldschool "cowboy" horsemanship methods. It was an interesting read. Some of the methods were genuinely useful, some - horrific (like "101 on how to throw your colt to the ground"), and amidst everything were recommendations to tie your colt to a donkey and leave like that for a day or two to halter train him.
 

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An acquaintance frome the USA once gifted me a book about oldschool "cowboy" horsemanship methods. It was an interesting read. Some of the methods were genuinely useful, some - horrific (like "101 on how to throw your colt to the ground"), and amidst everything were recommendations to tie your colt to a donkey and leave like that for a day or two to halter train him.
That sounds very similar to what they were doing with the bulls.
 

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And he is now obviously lame behind and extremely crooked, but has learnt that complaining gets him nowhere. Heaven help him.
One of the problems is that vets can often not see a bilateral hind leg lameness. I've had this myself, the unpredictable, dangerous behaviour of my DSLD horse was thought to be caused by my anxiety and poor riding. My vet at the time claimed that DSLD/ESPA didn't exist in this country. My wobbler was initially diagnosed as having a virus as he was lethargic, not moving forward properly, toe dragging and stiff. You need to be very confident to advocate for your horse if experienced trainers blame your riding and a vet says the horse is sound.

I share your concern for this horse but I also empathise with the owner in that it's hard to disregard the opinions of "experts" and do the right thing for your horse when the issue(s) is/are not straightforward.
 

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One of the problems is that vets can often not see a bilateral hind leg lameness. I've had this myself, the unpredictable, dangerous behaviour of my DSLD horse was thought to be caused by my anxiety and poor riding. My vet at the time claimed that DSLD/ESPA didn't exist in this country. My wobbler was initially diagnosed as having a virus as he was lethargic, not moving forward properly, toe dragging and stiff. You need to be very confident to advocate for your horse if experienced trainers blame your riding and a vet says the horse is sound.

I share your concern for this horse but I also empathise with the owner in that it's hard to disregard the opinions of "experts" and do the right thing for your horse when the issue(s) is/are not straightforward.
I had a bolter, it was unpredictable and not like that pony at all.
Had a full work up at the vets who didn’t find anything but thankfully i had a vet who listened to me when i said this wasnt right that it was totally out of character for the pony.
He said they could do a bone scan but warned me that if they didnt find anything insurance wouldn’t pay.

i told him to go ahead. They would find something.

His pelvis lit up like a christmas tree. It was fractured in 3 places.

Vets were astounded, the pony was NOT lame. Some of the best lameness vets in the country said he was not lame.

Some horses are very very good at masking pain.
 

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And he is now obviously lame behind and extremely crooked, but has learnt that complaining gets him nowhere. Heaven help him.

Is anyone pointing it out in the comments?
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I'd put a sad emoji. I wonder if I'll get shouted at!

I haven't seen someone see-saw a horses mouth like that for a long time. Since it became very socially unacceptable...
 

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The only thing I can think is that they are "teaching" the foal to stay close to its mother when she's led around for the grading process.
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I presume that @ycbm is correct, but personally it reminded me about mares who also work as draught horses. I've seen a few old black and white photos from Sweden about 100-90 years ago, were Swedish Warmblood mares used for some light draught horse work, sometimes had their foals tied to their sides while working. Occasionally it still happens a bit even in these modern days, at least with some Swedish draught breed mares with foals.

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Considering that the modern Swedish working draught horses I know of is usually owned by persons who only work their horses as a hobby, they're hardly run ragged, and they still get time to do what other foals do the rest of the time.
 

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I presume that @ycbm is correct, but personally it reminded me about mares who also work as draught horses. I've seen a few old black and white photos from Sweden about 100-90 years ago, were Swedish Warmblood mares used for some light draught horse work, sometimes had their foals tied to their sides while working. Occasionally it still happens a bit even in these modern days, at least with some Swedish draught breed mares with foals.

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Considering that the modern Swedish working draught horses I know of is usually owned by persons who only work their horses as a hobby, they're hardly run ragged, and they still get time to do what other foals do the rest of the time.

This used to be fairly common in the U.K., a mare couldn’t always be spared from farm work for the whole time she had a foal, it was quite usual for foals to go to the fields with her and be tied onto the harness. It had the additional benefit of getting the foal used to ploughs / rakes / carts and when they were ready to break, they remembered it all and were calm.

There was a lovely Suffolk mare shown a few years back in a wagon class and her foal went along with her in the ring, I can’t remember the show but he looked beautiful in his little halter and neckband to match her ribbons.
 

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I presume that @ycbm is correct, but personally it reminded me about mares who also work as draught horses. I've seen a few old black and white photos from Sweden about 100-90 years ago, were Swedish Warmblood mares used for some light draught horse work, sometimes had their foals tied to their sides while working. Occasionally it still happens a bit even in these modern days, at least with some Swedish draught breed mares with foals.

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Considering that the modern Swedish working draught horses I know of is usually owned by persons who only work their horses as a hobby, they're hardly run ragged, and they still get time to do what other foals do the rest of the time.
Gypsies still do it here to get a youngster used to traffic and used to being followed by a wagon. It's called "side-lining". I haven't seen it done with a small foal recently though, it's usually when they are 2 or 3. The older horse isn't necessarily any relation. It's really hard work for it.
 
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Not when it's a youngster. This is 2 different things I think. The sidelining harness isn't suitable to take any weight. It doesn't attach to the wagon at all, only to the lead horse.
A youngster may be tied next to an experienced horse to gain confidence. A experienced driving horse will be attached to the bow top / dray by an attachment fitted to the offside of the vehicle called a swivel tree they are about 3ft long ( 90cm) and pivot from the centre and project out about a foot (30cm) beyond the side of the carriage, the driving harness tracers are then attached to this as it would be to a set of shafts, so the horse would then be taking some of the strain.
 
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A youngster may be tied next to an experienced horse to gain confidence. A experienced driving horse will be attached to the bow top / dray by an attachment fitted to the offside of the vehicle called a swivel tree they are about 3ft long ( 90cm) and pivot from the centre and project out about a foot (30cm) beyond the side of the carriage, the driving harness tracers are then attached to this as it would be to a set of shafts, so the horse would then be taking some of the strain.
Thank you. Yes, it was the youngsters I was thinking of.
(In aid of nothing useful whatsoever - We call them "swingle trees" here but then we are a bit foreign I suppose! 🤣 )
 

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Gypsies still do it here to get a youngster used to traffic and used to being followed by a wagon. It's called "side-lining". I haven't seen it done with a small foal recently though, it's usually when they are 2 or 3. The older horse isn't necessarily any relation. It's really hard work for it.

In the photos/videos of it from here in Sweden which I've seen, it's foals, or maybe yearlings, and they're mostly in walk or brisk walk. Which to me sort of feels quite natural for them to do compared to just being in a field all day, since I've heard that wild herd of horses, including foals, in average can cover several kilometres to miles per day, mostly at walk.
 

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A youngster may be tied next to an experienced horse to gain confidence. A experienced driving horse will be attached to the bow top / dray by an attachment fitted to the offside of the vehicle called a swivel tree they are about 3ft long ( 90cm) and pivot from the centre and project out about a foot (30cm) beyond the side of the carriage, the driving harness tracers are then attached to this as it would be to a set of shafts, so the horse would then be taking some of the strain.

its a swingle tree and traces, but I cant see how the side horse is pulling anything without full harness on, and they usually dont.
 
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