Facebook footage of welsh stud delivering youngstock to abattoir

[AmyMay]

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Oh come on. There’s absolutely no need for that whatsoever. This thread is a really interesting discussion. I’m firmly in the ‘sad’ about the little foals fate. But other posters who are perhaps less sentimental make some excellent points.

Step away or play nice - please.

 

[Cortez]

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TBF I must say that TFF has not so far struck me as being unintelligent. You seem very angry and worked up, perhaps you should try some breathing exercises and a bit of zen. Just a suggestion.

 

[KittenInTheTree]

Stick them on Ignore, Frumpoon, it's not worth your energy.

 

[Cortez]

Calling me embittered????

Um, you called yourself bitter......

 

[Frumpoon]

Um, you called yourself bitter......

I agreed that a lot of adjectives could be used about me

 

[Frumpoon]

Stick them on Ignore, Frumpoon, it's not worth your energy.

How do I do that?

 

[The Xmas Furry]

Calling me embittered????

You said you were, in previous post #196
I rest my case. Please desist from personal insults. Thank you.

 

[Cortez]

I agreed that a lot of adjectives could be used about me

Well, there you go, TFF is doing just that.....

 

[Sandstone1]

Its very sad but I fear this sort of thing will be happening more before this crisis is over.

 

[KittenInTheTree]

How do I do that?

Click on the user's name, and a little window will pop up with options in it for Following and Ignoring, etc.

 

[SO1]

Nobody likes to hear of young healthy ponies sent to slaughter due to not being being flashy enough for the show ring.

However if the owner of ponies died and the people that inherited them didn't want them and could not sell them then they there may not be many options.

Especially if the land and resources have been split between family members so the new owners of the ponies no longer have the same resources available. It only takes one family member to want to sell their share of the land and it could very difficult.

 

[photo_jo]

Anyone who has ever bought a horse/pony has bought a horse/pony that someone bred to sell to make money from or because they didn't want it for whatever reason.

 

[tristar]

They didn’t meet their reserve at one auction

They should have run them on, this stud has their own land and other means of income....it’s just not good enough.....

yes i agree they should have run them on, the costs would have been small, and you are right its not good enough

i still have the catalogue from the coed coch dispersal sale, somewhere, some of those ponies were the best ever,


i think it is a mean, selfish and cruel thing to put down a heathy foal


a lady i knew once bought some foals that were going to slaughter, they were beautiful, i can see them now lovely healthy full of life, the sort i would have died for as kid, its why i feel strongly about this

i think if you put the mare in foal you should take responsibility to give the foals the chance to attain adulthood and become the best they can

and its true i don`t know all the circumstances, but the meanness of it is what grates, what sort of person can do things like that

 

[SO1]

If they were all parrot mouth then maybe a result of poor breeding practice. I believe line breeding or in breeding is quite common place in some studs to try and get more ponies with certain desirable qualities. This sort of breeding practice comes with a higher risk of deformaties and weakness than if you breed unrelated animals.

If this is the case then this is even worse than the culling of the healthy ponies as they are breeding knowing there is a high risk of deformed offspring that may be not able to be sold and need to be dispatched.

According to Facebook (so not the best source) they were all parrot mouth. Which could explain why they didn’t and we’re unlikely to ever sell in a showing based industry.

 

[tristar]

The active partner stud owner dying early in the year, covid preventing people turning up to see stock, sales cancelled. Nobody had a crystal ball.
Not everyone has the finances to keep them for 4 more years and include backing and working them.

they should have made some plan for future of he ponies in the event of death,

 

[scats]

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That’s really unkind and out of order. I understand this an emotive topic, but I don’t think people should be flinging personal insults at others.

 

[Equi]

Yes

If they were all parrot mouth then maybe a result of poor breeding practice. I believe line breeding or in breeding is quite common place in some studs to try and get more ponies with certain desirable qualities. This sort of breeding practice comes with a higher risk of deformaties and weakness than if you breed unrelated animals.

If this is the case then this is even worse than the culling of the healthy ponies as they are breeding knowing there is a high risk of deformed offspring that may be not able to be sold and need to be dispatched.

yes it’s a practice that I wholly disagree with. Which limits my stallion choices as the ones I like always seem to be my mares brother ?

 

[SO1]

The person who bred these ponies is dead.

She cannot be held responsible for the actions of those who inherited the ponies.

yes i agree they should have run them on, the costs would have been small, and you are right its not good enough

i still have the catalogue from the coed coch dispersal sale, somewhere, some of those ponies were the best ever,


i think it is a mean, selfish and cruel thing to put down a heathy foal


a lady i knew once bought some foals that were going to slaughter, they were beautiful, i can see them now lovely healthy full of life, the sort i would have died for as kid, its why i feel strongly about this

i think if you put the mare in foal you should take responsibility to give the foals the chance to attain adulthood and become the best they can

and its true i don`t know all the circumstances, but the meanness of it is what grates, what sort of person can do things like that

 

[Cortez]

yes i agree they should have run them on, the costs would have been small, and you are right its not good enough

i still have the catalogue from the coed coch dispersal sale, somewhere, some of those ponies were the best ever,


i think it is a mean, selfish and cruel thing to put down a heathy foal


a lady i knew once bought some foals that were going to slaughter, they were beautiful, i can see them now lovely healthy full of life, the sort i would have died for as kid, its why i feel strongly about this

i think if you put the mare in foal you should take responsibility to give the foals the chance to attain adulthood and become the best they can

and its true i don`t know all the circumstances, but the meanness of it is what grates, what sort of person can do things like that

I will take a punt and say that we all feel very sad indeed that these young ponies were sent to slaughter, however we don't have all the facts as to why they were not bought by "pet" homes at the sale. It sounds like a very sad story all around, if the breeder has died then the sellers were not the ones responsible for producing them.

they should have made some plan for future of he ponies in the event of death,

And so now you want to write the will for the breeder too? Bizzare....

 

[Frumpoon]

Click on the user's name, and a little window will pop up with options in it for Following and Ignoring, etc.

Big relief, many thanks

 

[AmyMay]

Interestingly, the foals may have been under six months old - which I think is too young to slaughter...

 

[LEC]

I have been following this today

1) Nobody addresses the elephant in the room which is about indiscriminate breeding for no market.
2) I find the hypocrisy quite outstanding as this happens every day with Dartmoor and Exmoor foals.
3) This is common on the continent - value/health reasons

 

[SO1]

Who knows what she said in her will . Maybe she said if they can't find a good home for the ponies PTS

they should have made some plan for future of he ponies in the event of death,

 

[tristar]

I will take a punt and say that we all feel very sad indeed that these young ponies were sent to slaughter, however we don't have all the facts as to why they were not bought by "pet" homes at the sale. It sounds like a very sad story all around, if the breeder has died then the sellers were not the ones responsible for producing them.

And so now you want to write the will for the breeder too? Bizzare....

well no not really, however i don`t think its bizarre to think of the fate of your animals in the event of death, i thought most people did that

 

[tristar]

Who knows what she said in her will . Maybe she said if they can't find a good home for the ponies PTS

possibly because she knew she was not breeding a good product perhaps?

 

[Tiddlypom]

I have been following this today

1) Nobody addresses the elephant in the room which is about indiscriminate breeding for no market.
2) I find the hypocrisy quite outstanding as this happens every day with Dartmoor and Exmoor foals.
3) This is common on the continent - value/health reasons

I think that these points have all been raised earlier on in this thread. They are valid points.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

Yes

yes it’s a practice that I wholly disagree with. Which limits my stallion choices as the ones I like always seem to be my mares brother ?

I went out looking for a grey colt foal or yearling. One very prominent stud that I looked at as I know they use the lines I want I now wouldnt touch with a gazillion foot barge pole. Full brother and sister pairings, mother and son, father and daughter pairings all to maintain the grey colour. I was absolutely horrified! Shetland btw not Welsh in this case.

Shetland colt foals used to reguarly go through the auctions for 10gns a piece. They went for meat. Though there was a roaring trade for about 5 years for their skins to be turned into gloves and handbags in Italy. The Wee Coloured Job was a meat money buy - 50gns -because he was the wrong colour and gender. But he was very good quality.

You then get the new forest and dartmoor drifts. A lot of these ponies are bought by zoo's to feed the big cats etc. Mostly foals. But no one kicks up a fuss about this because it is one animal going to feed another.

 

[tristar]

I have been following this today

1) Nobody addresses the elephant in the room which is about indiscriminate breeding for no market.
2) I find the hypocrisy quite outstanding as this happens every day with Dartmoor and Exmoor foals.
3) This is common on the continent - value/health reasons

well to me it slightly different as i was bought up with welsh ponies, and i do consider them to be the best of all the pony breeds, so it touches a spot with me, and i have had just about every other breed of pony at one time or another, but the welsh are coed coch planed and coed coch shon the best i have ever seen and the section b`s bred by miss de beaumont, truly outstanding and exquisite ponies , then you think it comes to this, just binning them, its hard to take, and too hard just let it all pass, without comment

 

[conniegirl]

possibly because she knew she was not breeding a good product perhaps?

Any responsible owner will have a clause in thier will about if a good home cannot be found the animal should be PTS.

i have it in mine for my pony and dogs.

would far rather them PTS than end up at auction for an uncertain fate or to potentially end up on the downward spiral. Rescues are stuffed to the gunnels and can’t take more animals.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

well to me it slightly different as i was bought up with welsh ponies, and i do consider them to be the best of all the pony breeds, so it touches a spot with me, and i have had just about every other breed of pony at one time or another, but the welsh are coed coch planed and coed coch shon the best i have ever seen and the section b`s bred by miss de beaumont, truly outstanding and exquisite ponies , then you think it comes to this, just binning them, its hard to take, and too hard just let it all pass, without comment

Coed Coch were the ponies to have in your bloodlines. They truly were some of the greatest ponies.