tristar
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but that s the crux of the matter, they should only be breeding very good ponies and not too many, so they will find a home, and pts is different to slaughter
Facebook footage of welsh stud delivering youngstock to abattoir
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but that s the crux of the matter, they should only be breeding very good ponies and not too many, so they will find a home, and pts is different to slaughter
tristar
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there is an internet page on the coed coch stud with some really old pics of some fabulous ponies!
conniegirl
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mine is absolute top quality and won a lot but if no one i know and trust can take him he will be PTS.
these ponies could well have had the same fate ordained in the deceased persons will, but its a commercial enterprise so cost of disposal will come into it. This is by far the cheapest way to do it and is quite himane. To pts and dispose of at home can be several hundred per pony, not money most of these smaller studs will have available in a year like this.
tristar
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conniegirl
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You’ve already said that
SO1
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Actually this does not really happen with NF now there are reduced numbers of stallions out on the forest and they are all top quality ones due to the inspections required for them to go out. They also manage the breeding to prevent rare bloodline being lost and to reduce the risk of related ponies breeding. It is all very strictly managed.
The work the breed society has done to reduce number and increase quality as meant prices for ponies have increased and more people are considering them as riding and driving ponies. I think NFPC has done well as they are not just pushing the breed as show ponies as once you get to that point, you are breeding ponies that become too hot perhaps for the average child or leisure rider to manage as all rounders as the show ring presence may not always translate well into other activities that people might want to do
NF are a rare breed now.
I think possibly the issue with Welsh ponies now is that they are getting a reputation as being spooky and sharp and that will put people off buying them for their children or adults buying them as all rounders. Especially as the number of people looking for good hacking horses and ponies seem to be increasing. I would never consider one as I think they are too flighty and sharp, the stereotype has put me off. It was the one breed I would not have considered when I was looking at natives 13 years ago. I ended up with my NF, very handsome but not a big moving pony, but he has safely taken me to some really big shows where I can enjoy taking part even if there are hot air balloons firing up, the red arrows flying over head or in once case a gazebo that we were standing near to taking off and floating through the air sending ponies and competitions off in all directions whilst he stood quietly wondering what all the fuss was about!
Native ponies once bred for a very different job are now being repurposed and the main market where the money and glory for breeders comes is the show ring and the types ponies that do well in show ring often need that bit of sparkle that may make then harder for the average amateur to handle. The ones not flashy looking enough to make it in the show ring but who have been bred for that market may still have show ring temperament making it hard to find them an alternative home.
The work the breed society has done to reduce number and increase quality as meant prices for ponies have increased and more people are considering them as riding and driving ponies. I think NFPC has done well as they are not just pushing the breed as show ponies as once you get to that point, you are breeding ponies that become too hot perhaps for the average child or leisure rider to manage as all rounders as the show ring presence may not always translate well into other activities that people might want to do
NF are a rare breed now.
I think possibly the issue with Welsh ponies now is that they are getting a reputation as being spooky and sharp and that will put people off buying them for their children or adults buying them as all rounders. Especially as the number of people looking for good hacking horses and ponies seem to be increasing. I would never consider one as I think they are too flighty and sharp, the stereotype has put me off. It was the one breed I would not have considered when I was looking at natives 13 years ago. I ended up with my NF, very handsome but not a big moving pony, but he has safely taken me to some really big shows where I can enjoy taking part even if there are hot air balloons firing up, the red arrows flying over head or in once case a gazebo that we were standing near to taking off and floating through the air sending ponies and competitions off in all directions whilst he stood quietly wondering what all the fuss was about!
Native ponies once bred for a very different job are now being repurposed and the main market where the money and glory for breeders comes is the show ring and the types ponies that do well in show ring often need that bit of sparkle that may make then harder for the average amateur to handle. The ones not flashy looking enough to make it in the show ring but who have been bred for that market may still have show ring temperament making it hard to find them an alternative home.
EarsofaSnowman
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Foal is eaten in Iceland. A country that is extremely passionate about their horses, and maintaining their quality and their health. But they are also very pragmatic people that make good use of anything that doesn't make the grade. I would far rather unwanted stock, of any kind, be made full use of where practical.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
None of us has the slightest idea (or right) to know what provisions anyone has made in the event of their death, nor is it anyone's business. Even the best breed/bloodline has the occasional substandard foal/pup/whatever.
Some people don't have a will at all, but it's really not up to random strangers to pass judgment on people's funerary arrangements.
Frumpoon
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It does sound sensible when you put it like that .... but I do just keep going back to the faces of those ponies in that wretched video and it’s so upsetting, it just doesn’t seem right
Roasted Chestnuts
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I was merely pointing out that to be an animal lover, but still eat meat is called cognitive dissonance, of which I’m guilty?Wasn’t having a go ffs?
I wasn’t having a go either ? I was asking for a wider answer but if you want to go flounce then feel free ??
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Cortez
Tough but Fair
I agree with you, it is upsetting; so what's your solution?
Palindrome
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To be fair, Icelandic people tend to eat stuff that most wouldn't touch. Whale? Puffin? Rotten shark?
And after that people go on and on about the French eating snails...
NinjaPony
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I really do think that the WPCS needs to have a serious rethink. There are too many ponies being bred, not enough demand and too many ponies kept in rubbish conditions by breeders. Haven't watched the video because I can't bear to. Irrational or not, as the owner of a welsh A who could easily have ended up somewhere like that, I just can't.
I think the in-hand market has a lot to answer for too. I took mine to a WCPS silver medal show once-never ever again. I saw such bad practices that I swore I'd never put mine in that kind of environment again.
It's so upsetting and so wasteful. I don't have the answer but endlessly churning out ponies can't be sustainable.
I think the in-hand market has a lot to answer for too. I took mine to a WCPS silver medal show once-never ever again. I saw such bad practices that I swore I'd never put mine in that kind of environment again.
It's so upsetting and so wasteful. I don't have the answer but endlessly churning out ponies can't be sustainable.
SO1
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My impression is that most studs want to breed competition ponies and horses, they want the next HOYS super star, a top quality dressage, event horse or show jumper. Only some of their stock will be have this potential.
The problem then is those that don't make the grade are also often also are not suitable for the more novice rider or perhaps someone wanting an easy ride. Look at failed race horse for example. There are lots of people on here looking for horses or ponies for sale who are struggling to find a nice sane sound easy all rounder that they can take to some competitions but still have fun out hacking with friends too or that is suitable for a nervous or novice child. There are a real shortage of horses and ponies with the right sort of temperament to be that easy going best friend who will safely do a bit of everything at RC/PC level. Very few studs are breeding this sort of horse and pony. There is no fame or glory coming from breeding these very important sought after horses and ponies.
The problem then is those that don't make the grade are also often also are not suitable for the more novice rider or perhaps someone wanting an easy ride. Look at failed race horse for example. There are lots of people on here looking for horses or ponies for sale who are struggling to find a nice sane sound easy all rounder that they can take to some competitions but still have fun out hacking with friends too or that is suitable for a nervous or novice child. There are a real shortage of horses and ponies with the right sort of temperament to be that easy going best friend who will safely do a bit of everything at RC/PC level. Very few studs are breeding this sort of horse and pony. There is no fame or glory coming from breeding these very important sought after horses and ponies.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
There is also no profit.....I always said that if I was ever to get back into breeding/producing horses it would be the all-rounder, anyone's-ride type of animal, but the reality is that it takes far, far to long to get the horse to that stage and it's not possible to make it pay.
EarsofaSnowman
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Don't knock it til you've tried it. Although I can't in all honesty recommend the fermented shark.
Roasted Chestnuts
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There is now a petition going against the stud to stop them being able to register foals. I find things like that disgusting. People are struggling and if they have had a bereavement as reported then this sort of thing is just plain wrong. Talk about kicking people when they are down. So much for #bekind.
Goldenstar
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People seem to getting more and more spiteful.
Elf On A Shelf
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My OH ate foal whilst we were in Iceland, said it was ok, quite rich though. He has lived and worked with horses his entire life. When we went pony trekking the place we went to couldn't even tell me my ponies name. They see them as a business investment not pets.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
How do we know that what they bred last year wasn't 'too many' but that the current extraordinary situation has meant that it ended up being too many in a way that no one could predict?
Palindrome
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This is my 4 years old welsh part bred and she is a fab kids pony, has carried children from 8 months to a petite 11 years old. There is also a purebred section A at the local riding school and she does baby pony the same as the other ponies. Welsh can make good kids pony and mine has a good pop on her too so would suit a kid who would want to jump too.
AmyMay
Situation normal
If the foals were under age a petition won’t be needed. Everyone will be prosecuted. The studs reputation is already is hugely damaged, again without the need for a petition.
Elf On A Shelf
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Roasted Chestnuts
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Just no ? NO NO NO NO NO ??
Cloball
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People have always been spiteful they just have an easy accessible anonymous platform to do it on now.
Frumpoon
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That seems to me to be a sensible course of action
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Wow.....
Roasted Chestnuts
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You are just out for all the negative attention today ? disgusting
ester
Not slacking multitasking
yeah cos unregistered foals sell really well. . .
Frumpoon
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They could stop breeding? There are other jobs ....