YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
As an aside, whatever happened about the arson that Packham claimed was directed against him?
Horse being hit around the head
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planete
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CMcC
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Not a particular fan of Chris Packham but I think if you have a car driven into the gates of your home and then set alight you can probably ”claim” the arson was directed against you!
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Not if it is pure chance that a stolen vehicle ends up there, with another one approximately a mile away, or was that aimed at another person?
Sandstone1
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Certainly seems like it. About time the pro hunters took responsibility for their own behaviour. There would be no need for sabs and monitors if they didnt break the law. The way some of them treat animals is a disgrace.
YorksG
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No, merely a suggestion that Peckham using social media to shout about "injustice" isn't always as correct as he would like people to believeIs that a distraction tactic?
AmyMay
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I absolutely agree. Appalling behaviour- what a first class b!tch
Cherryblossom
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For people like me, who are neither pro nor anti hunting, the response of the pro hunting crew is more likely to push me the other way. Punishing a horse for doing the right thing is bad horsemanship, hitting a horse in the face is never okay, and instead of condemning it, the attempts to justify it, are very upsetting to see, and ill thought out.
And saying that the sabs presence upset her, is like saying that social workers being in your house stressed you out so much that they caused you to hit your kid in the face. If you can’t behave when people you know are judging you are watching, then there’s no chance of me believing you can behave better behind closed doors.
And saying that the sabs presence upset her, is like saying that social workers being in your house stressed you out so much that they caused you to hit your kid in the face. If you can’t behave when people you know are judging you are watching, then there’s no chance of me believing you can behave better behind closed doors.
AmyMay
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Cottesmore Hunt. She should be easy enough to hunt down…..
AmyMay
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palo1
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I certainly didn't say her behaviour was justified. The behaviour filmed from the Flint and Denbigh is appalling.
YorksG
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Do you believe that this should be what happens?
AmyMay
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What, you mean she was pretending to hit and kick the horse?? ??
YorksG
Over the hill and far awa
Not at all, but there is no attribution, no way of telling where or when this happened. It is the sharing, on social media, with a specific agenda, which I find utterly distasteful. The woman's behaviour is not acceptable, but neither is it acceptable of Peckham to post this imo
Goldenstar
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Go then hunt her down join those seeking destroy people who are unfortunate to get a transgression posted on the snake pit which social media .
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Sandstone1
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There is NO excuse to treat a horse like that.
AmyMay
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Identify would have been a more correct word to use. Apologies.
Tiddlypom
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Rupert Evelyn of ITV is on it. He is awaiting comments from the Hunting Office, the RSPCA and the Cottesmore Hunt.
AmyMay
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However anyone wants to spin it. It’s absolutely appalling behaviour, and I hope she’s censored for her actions.
palo1
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CP should have simply reported this rather than whipping up a social media hate storm for the sake of his own agenda. That is vile, irresponsible and in the context, potentially dangerous behaviour even whilst the behaviour of this woman is also vile.
If hunters are to be afraid then the next targets will be shooters and their dogs, racing, then of course, or possibly simultaneously farmers and finally pet owners, meat eaters etc.
palo1
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What a surprise!! Rupert Evelyn is not in any way an independent journalist. His links with hunt sabs and others are rather too cosy for that...ITV are already under pressure about RE's contacts and associates.
Sandstone1
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If you can treat a horse like that when people are watching, what goes on behind closed doors. If I had seen her doing it she would have had me to deal with. Pro hunters can make as many excuses as they like but that is just unacceptable behaviour as is the video of the huntsman hitting his horse round the head.
Animals deserve respect.
Animals deserve respect.
Asha
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A transgression? She kicked and hit the horse . Absolutely no excuse whatsoever.
Seriously disappointed in your response .
Sandstone1
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Good grief, just keep it all quiet then, sweep it under the carpet. Keep your dirty little secrets!
Pearlsasinger
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I have already expressed my opinion of the woman's behaviour but there are some rather odd opinions expressed on this thread.
a) it is obvious that sabs were present, they posted the video.
b) There is plenty of abuse of both hounds and horses committed by sabs, it's a pity that they don't ask the RSPCA to investigate that.
c) As some people recognise the woman it would appear that the video is authentic but it certainly would NOT be beyond the realms of possibility for a group of people to setup such a scenario, purely with the intention of posting online and stirring up trouble. We know that in the past, various incidents have been filmed completely out of context and used to stir up emotions.
d) CP made a great deal of fuss in the MSM about the arson committed near to his gate. He did not correct the impression he had given, or if he did, it certainly wasn't given equal prominence.
e)it is not unreasonable to question the legitimacy of anything posted online -in fact it is good practice
f) There has been an outcry recently about threats made online, with condemnation from all round and yet there have been posters advocating 'hunting down' etc
a) it is obvious that sabs were present, they posted the video.
b) There is plenty of abuse of both hounds and horses committed by sabs, it's a pity that they don't ask the RSPCA to investigate that.
c) As some people recognise the woman it would appear that the video is authentic but it certainly would NOT be beyond the realms of possibility for a group of people to setup such a scenario, purely with the intention of posting online and stirring up trouble. We know that in the past, various incidents have been filmed completely out of context and used to stir up emotions.
d) CP made a great deal of fuss in the MSM about the arson committed near to his gate. He did not correct the impression he had given, or if he did, it certainly wasn't given equal prominence.
e)it is not unreasonable to question the legitimacy of anything posted online -in fact it is good practice
f) There has been an outcry recently about threats made online, with condemnation from all round and yet there have been posters advocating 'hunting down' etc
Sandstone1
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SO1
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I have seen lots of people get frustrated with horses in high pressure situations such a horse not loading or at competitions. It is not pleasant to watch and people should be spoken to and chastised for their behaviour.
At the same time I do think perhaps an incident going viral on social media can destroy someones life and this person is with a child and I think we have to also think about the impact this might have on the child if this person perhaps loses their job or the child is bullied at school.
Using social media to punish someone should be the last resort especially where there is a child involved. That does not mean I condone her behaviour.
Hunts are very much in the public eye. If they are not careful then the sabs will tar all horses owners with the same brush and we all may find ourselves being monitored by animals rights activists. Racing has had an issue and so has modern pentathlon. With the event of modern technology anyone of us could find ourselves filmed and on social media. I would never kick my horse or hit him round the head like that but like most people I have used a schooling whip and told my horse off on occasion.
All every day horse owners should be putting pressure on hunts and other equine disciplines that are in the public eye to make sure they behave in a way that could not be misinterpreted by a member of the general public or is cruel. It has an impact on us all and our reputation within society as horse owners.
What goes on with the foxes is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes animal cruelty. We are just lucky at the moment that most sabs don't understand what goes on with the horse world and some animal welfare issues involved at all levels and their focus is on the illegal hunting of foxes and there is not enough sabs to monitor other events.
At the same time I do think perhaps an incident going viral on social media can destroy someones life and this person is with a child and I think we have to also think about the impact this might have on the child if this person perhaps loses their job or the child is bullied at school.
Using social media to punish someone should be the last resort especially where there is a child involved. That does not mean I condone her behaviour.
Hunts are very much in the public eye. If they are not careful then the sabs will tar all horses owners with the same brush and we all may find ourselves being monitored by animals rights activists. Racing has had an issue and so has modern pentathlon. With the event of modern technology anyone of us could find ourselves filmed and on social media. I would never kick my horse or hit him round the head like that but like most people I have used a schooling whip and told my horse off on occasion.
All every day horse owners should be putting pressure on hunts and other equine disciplines that are in the public eye to make sure they behave in a way that could not be misinterpreted by a member of the general public or is cruel. It has an impact on us all and our reputation within society as horse owners.
What goes on with the foxes is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes animal cruelty. We are just lucky at the moment that most sabs don't understand what goes on with the horse world and some animal welfare issues involved at all levels and their focus is on the illegal hunting of foxes and there is not enough sabs to monitor other events.
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palo1
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Well said. The obsession of animal 'rights' activists with illegal hunting is just bizarre considering the level of animal abuse and cruelty that does not need masks, tip off lines, aggression and trespass in order to be revealed and reported.
Anyone who is out hunting MUST make sure that their behaviour is absolutely beyond reproach. Hunting happens very much publicly. Sadly a huge amount of animal abuse can easily be hidden away and is not being addressed by organisations who have the ability to do that.
stangs
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If it had been a dog that she kicked, I think far fewer people on here would be talking about “it’s unfair to dox”, “oh but we need context” etc.
There is absolutely no justification for her behaviour - it’s abuse, poor and simple, and you can’t even claim it’s a good ‘training method’. And yet it is common amongst the horsey world, which is exactly why it should be called out. Making this public will not change the attitudes of the people who perform such handling tactics (as certain posters on here have shown), but at very least, it might teach some of the future generation that this is unacceptable, rather than letting them grow numb to such abuse.
There is absolutely no justification for her behaviour - it’s abuse, poor and simple, and you can’t even claim it’s a good ‘training method’. And yet it is common amongst the horsey world, which is exactly why it should be called out. Making this public will not change the attitudes of the people who perform such handling tactics (as certain posters on here have shown), but at very least, it might teach some of the future generation that this is unacceptable, rather than letting them grow numb to such abuse.
honetpot
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Go down enough horse lines at shows, or even the collecting rings, and you will see things like this, and often nobody says anything. Unfortunately the behaviour is not confined to people out hunting, and giving a horse a clout around the head, to' stop it from doing...', is seen as OK, by some.
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