AmyMay
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Spot on.
Hunting is in a spot of bother
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Spot on.
GSD Woman
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I find that there are obnoxious vegans and obnoxious omnivores. If one is passionate about their morals/feelings about such things they won't change their minds. Sort of like hunting. ;-)
There are enough hunts within driving distance of where I live. My friends who hunt with the different hunts have told me that letting the fox go to ground so that he can provide another day's run is better than killing. It doesn't mean that there aren't kills, unless the farmer wants the fox killed.
Tiddlypom
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I agree with that as IME of full on pre ban fox and hare hunting that most of the field wanted the quarry to give them a good run across country and then get away, but my point also stands that modern hunt followers of trail packs know damn well whether the pack they ride with is illegally hunting live quarry or hunting a laid trail and sticking to it.
Thundering
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My point is if most people do not want to kill the fox why is there such a big problem with trail hunting? I understand that the hunt staff still want to hunt fox but Why do they? Why do the hunt still want to kill foxes if they can legally trail hunt?
Thundering
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Really no need to be quite so rude is there? So answer this. If the followers get their fun riding across country why do the hunt master and staff still insist on hunting fox? That is the point. WHY do they still want and insist on breaking the law?
suestowford
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From what I've read on this thread, and elsewhere, I doubt there is any one reason for the persistent hunting of foxes by some hunts. It's probably not even just one reason for one of those hunts.
Tradition will come into it, as will landowners' wishes (although that doesn't seem to matter to some hunts, where they don't have permission to go), resentment at being told to change what they do may also play a part, and there will be many other motives. There also seems to be a thuggish element in hunting now. I don't know if that's just a recent thing or not, but people like that just like violence. I include some of the sab groups in that comment as well.
Now you may say (and I might agree with you) that those are not good reasons why it goes on. That is what has been said though.
Tradition will come into it, as will landowners' wishes (although that doesn't seem to matter to some hunts, where they don't have permission to go), resentment at being told to change what they do may also play a part, and there will be many other motives. There also seems to be a thuggish element in hunting now. I don't know if that's just a recent thing or not, but people like that just like violence. I include some of the sab groups in that comment as well.
Now you may say (and I might agree with you) that those are not good reasons why it goes on. That is what has been said though.
Landcruiser
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In a way this disgusts me even more than if hunting was done under the guise of population control of foxes. Terrifying a creature, running it to exhaustion for FUN. It's hideous.
Millionwords
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The ex-whipper-in of the Pytchley with Woodland Hunt, Chris Mardles, has pleaded guilty to causing GBH.
This relates to a brutal attack in 2020 in which Mardles rode over a member of Northants Hunt Saboteurs, leaving the saboteur with broken ribs and a collapsed lung.
This relates to a brutal attack in 2020 in which Mardles rode over a member of Northants Hunt Saboteurs, leaving the saboteur with broken ribs and a collapsed lung.
GSD Woman
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What is GBH? Grievous bodily harm?
SEL
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Because the fox adds an element of uncertainty - when it breaks cover and the chase starts there's no knowing what ground you'll be covering. All of which I 'got' when I lived in Wiltshire with its wide open spaces, but its not really the same in the SE of England when the hounds have just crossed a busy road and are full flight across fields with no access for horses and another busy road not that far away.
I say I 'got' it when I lived in Wilts but my parents wouldn't allow me to hunt because Dad worked with someone who bred foxes purely to be chased by the hunt, so no fair chase there.
SilverLinings
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This is a slightly out-there proposal, but using AI it should be possible to 'teach' a drone to create a random route by mimicking the random nature of a fleeing fox, within pre-set geographical perimeters. Someone would just need to develop some sort of scent/scented granules that could be dropped by the drone. I'm sure that there are enough clever tech people around that this would be possible if hunts truly wanted the fun of the ride and watching hounds work, rather than the death of a fox being important to them.
humblepie
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Not the same thing but I was watching a programme the other day about birds of prey and a drone being used as the ‘target’ for the bird of prey to hunt. I think the idea is competition as to how good the bird at hunting
Millionwords
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And ANOTHER court case.
Three members of the Portman Hunt are due to appear before Weymouth magistrates court on 7 June facing charges of illegal hunting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-64978949
Three members of the Portman Hunt are due to appear before Weymouth magistrates court on 7 June facing charges of illegal hunting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-64978949
Tiddlypom
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Channel 4 news 7pm tonight. A bagged fox.
According to Channel 4, The Cotswold Hunt has been suspended from the BHSA.
According to Channel 4, The Cotswold Hunt has been suspended from the BHSA.
Koweyka
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Ah but we trail hunt …. It all wants banning immediately, dregs of society.
Clodagh
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I can’t see what the hunt are gaining by having a bagged fox buried in the ground?
Before I get annihilated I’m not disputing it’s happened, and it’s sick but what is the benefit? I’m obviously missing something. I thought hunting a bagged fox was tipping it out to run in front of hounds, but that cover was weighted?
Bloody fools. (The hunt)
Before I get annihilated I’m not disputing it’s happened, and it’s sick but what is the benefit? I’m obviously missing something. I thought hunting a bagged fox was tipping it out to run in front of hounds, but that cover was weighted?
Bloody fools. (The hunt)
Clodagh
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Ok, I consulted OH who said they probably didn’t want to carry it about in the quad. 
Millionwords
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That has made me feel absolutely sick.
All the hunts cry "we hunt legally" all the hunts cry "a few bad apples" all the hunts cry "not us".
This is absolutely debauched. Those people are the absolute dregs of humanity. Whilst claiming to be "guardians of the countryside".
Sandstone1
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How absolutely disgusting. A few bad apples? I dont think so. How can anyone defend this? Enough excuses now. This is NOT trail hunting. These people are sub human. What sort of mentality can someone have to enjoy this? Despicable.
Tiddlypom
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I did wonder if it was one that they were trying to keep safe for use later onOk, I consulted OH who said they probably didn’t want to carry it about in the quad.
.The depraved mentality that leads to such cruelty is unfathomable.
I would never have countenanced going hunting as I did pre ban if there was the slightest sniff that any such appalling crimes took place.
Tiddlypom
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Sandstone1
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They must be deranged. They seem willing to do anything to get their sick kicks.
Koweyka
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This isn’t a one off either, it’s rife as a hunt supporter said to me last month about the Avon Vale happens in 90% of hunts and they just got caught ….same for The Cotswold Hunt.
I have seen fox fur sticking out of terrier quads air holes, but by the time the police check, the box is empty.
I wish you could see what I have seen monitoring hunts, nothing surprises me anymore. It all needs banning, roll on a GE.
I have seen fox fur sticking out of terrier quads air holes, but by the time the police check, the box is empty.
I wish you could see what I have seen monitoring hunts, nothing surprises me anymore. It all needs banning, roll on a GE.
Sandstone1
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I really do not know how you control yourself around them. They are very sick people.
Millionwords
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Being as they are the same Webinar people this is sadly depressing. It would be funny if it wasn't tripe.
meleeka
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There’s a lot of ‘If’s’ in that statement, which I suspect will be difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt, if they even try.
Koweyka
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Unless they try and get “smart” with me I treat them with total indifference and ignore them, to me they are all part of the cruelty to wildlife and I would rather not waste a drop of air on them. If they attempt to be aggressive towards me, I can more than hold my own. But I have to focus on the foxes when I am out and not be distracted, it takes a lot of self control ….
Clodagh
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this completely. I absolutely don’t understand if it’s always been common and I was lucky (?) and didn’t experience it or there always has just been a few complete sickos attracted to it.
Tiddlypom
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I imagine that these individuals were unaware that they were being filmed. Screenshot of part of CH4 report with captions.
Get that sack it will have evidence on it, that fox came from your place.
Get that sack it will have evidence on it, that fox came from your place.
Burnttoast
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I was watching Channel 4 with the family when this came on and my generally disinterested brother just made a face and said 'country people'. Ironic, as he was brought up in the countryside and loves his walking, natural history and gardening; what I think many 'country sports' people fail to recognise is that he is way more representative of country people now than they are, and his view of them - as the kind of people who love a bit of animal abuse and brand everyone who disagrees with them a townie - is pretty common in the countryside.