Taking horse back off loan

[ycbm]

And who really cares if he is an ex racer or an ex cart horse or an ex grand prix dressage horse. As long as any horse is happy, able and well taken care of and not in any sort of pain or discomfort, then there is absolutely no reason at any age why they cannot be brought back into work if they want to do it.

My comment was to explain to CE, not to continue a discussion we had finished. But since you ask, I think the breed makes quite a difference . It's my impression that ex racing TBs in their late teens are usually pretty much done with a ridden career. There will always be exceptions of course. I hope you have many more happy years with him.


PS if you write saying you want your horse back to go show jumping with him, you shouldn't be surprised and defensive when people take you at your word
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[Jenko109]

Poor woman. Paid for a saddle and the horse is being taken back after just over a year.

Only one spring/summer together and slogged through the majority of 2 winters.

I imagine she will be angry and upset.

 

[blitznbobs]

Poor woman. Paid for a saddle and the horse is being taken back after just over a year.

Only one spring/summer together and slogged through the majority of 2 winters.

I imagine she will be angry and upset.

Upset yes but angry? If she is she should never have loaned in the first place

 

[Jenko109]

Upset yes but angry? If she is she should never have loaned in the first place

Each to their own. If I had loaned a horse, with the owner only allowing me the saddle if i purchased it and had only had the horse just over a year before they decided they wanted it back, then I would not have been impressed.

Furthermore, loaning a horse coming into winter and then wanting it back when we are approaching spring, doesnt sit right with me either.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Poor woman. Paid for a saddle and the horse is being taken back after just over a year.

Only one spring/summer together and slogged through the majority of 2 winters.

I imagine she will be angry and upset.

She actually didn't look after him very well either in the beginning and personally i would have took him back then, part of loaning often means buying a saddle for the horse while you have it in your care, the saddle belongs to the loaner so she can sell it on.

 

[TheChestnutThing]

Each to their own. If I had loaned a horse, with the owner only allowing me the saddle if i purchased it and had only had the horse just over a year before they decided they wanted it back, then I would not have been impressed.

Furthermore, loaning a horse coming into winter and then wanting it back when we are approaching spring, doesnt sit right with me either.

Saddle as zero to do with it as she would have had to buy a saddle for him anyway. If you had read the comments (still unsure what the saddle has to do with this anyway), the saddle was for sale before I decided to loan him out because it was too big for me, and she decided to buy it. Her choice. It was not forced upon her, but it was offered to her.

I have not even taken the seasons into account, I now have my own yard. So it wouldn't matter if it was spring/summer/autumn/winter or the world had turned into space. Season's don't bother me as it's all part of horse care.

 

[Getbackboys]

hey Widgeon think first - i am not looking for a response - i simply commented giving my opinion based on first post by OP, just like YCBM i was shocked soneone wud want to take back 18 yo to jump etc.

Widgeon - i have every right to comment on a forum as you do, do not imagine you are more superior than me or anyone else for that matter.

to those who are amazed at others comments - why - its an open forum - people are all individually brained and have a heart, feelings and emotions - some think naturally - others think cos their told to - some cry i cant find a good loaner - others find a good loaner then want to take it back when it suits them - oh hang on a minute this is the norm in the new world - where folk just dont give a toss anymore about who they hurt as long as they are okay, and dont no one be going against anything they decide they want, the forum brigade will will be up in arms.

so glad i have a life outside of this forum and life in general ????

 

[Getbackboys]

TheChestnutThing - having read some of your replies and the clear state of your emotions causing you to put words into peoples comments that they themselves never typed, clearing proves what an emotive subject this is, so what replues do you expect from readers……as per seeing how the loaners “state of mind” is, i have no words because clearly you are aware how upset she will be, so please be kind she will be hurting so

 

[w1bbler]

I hope the loaner is not on this forum or they will already be aware. Between this post & the previous one about care standards not being met it would be impossible not to recognise your situation ?

 

[Nasicus]

I'm surprised at the amount of people on here that don't seem to understand the concept of a loan.
If you don't want to 'get your heart broken', then you need to save and bear the upfront cost of purchasing. Same as with renting a home/yard/land as opposed to buying.

 

[ycbm]

I'm surprised at the amount of people on here that don't seem to understand the concept of a loan.
If you don't want to 'get your heart broken', then you need to save and bear the upfront cost of purchasing. Same as with renting a home/yard/land as opposed to buying.

There are many horses of that age which are scaling down their work so are loaned on a permanent loan basis, or on permanent loan to be returned to be retired when no longer capable of ridden work.

We don't know what conversations were had which may have given the loaner the impression that this loan was like that, or if she has somehow persuaded herself that it would be permanent, but we do know that she tried to make it permanent by buying him.

So concern by posters for the loaner being upset at having to give him back doesn't seem unreasonable.

 

[Nasicus]

There are many horses of that age which are scaling down their work so are loaned on a permanent loan basis, or on permanent loan to be returned to be retired when no longer capable of ridden work.

We don't know what conversations were had which may have given the loaner the impression that this loan was like that, or if she has somehow persuaded herself that it would be permanent, but we do know that she tried to make it permanent by buying him.

So concern by posters for the loaner being upset at having to give him back doesn't seem unreasonable.

True, we don't know if OP made it sound like it's permanent, but at the end of the day even a 'permanent' loan is still just that, a loan. Loanee doesn't own the horse, and Owner is legally clear to take her property (in the eyes of the law I hasten to add) back.
I was more surprised at the people shaming OP for wanting her horse back, not those thinking of ways to break the news gently and considerately.

 

[TheChestnutThing]

Just to hasten to add, and thank you Nasicus ...I never ever told her it was permanant and always told her he would be with her until such time as I had the capacity to take him back (which may be never or may be tomorrow). I rebuked all her attempts to buy him from me as he has never been and never will be for sale. The welfare of a senior horse is too important to me no matter if he is ridden or retired. She even cornered me in a feedshop when I happened on her one day and made me feel really awkward about it and hubby had to step in and make excuses.

 

[nagblagger]

Have you mentioned it to her yet? Just read what you have written would it be worth taking a friend with you if she is likely to cause a scene, even if they stayed in the car, for moral support 'just in case' of an adverse reaction.

 

[TheChestnutThing]

Have you mentioned it to her yet? Just read what you have written would it be worth taking a friend with you if she is likely to cause a scene, even if they stayed in the car, for moral support 'just in case' of an adverse reaction.

That is the plan! I actually planned for a visit this weekend, but she has timing issues and they don't fit in with me unfortunately, so will be going next weekend. I will definately be taking someone with, who also knows the horse. Then gauging the reaction, I will either tell her there or follow up afterwards.

 

[Gloi]

Poor woman. Paid for a saddle and the horse is being taken back after just over a year.

Only one spring/summer together and slogged through the majority of 2 winters.

I imagine she will be angry and upset.

If someone wants full control over a horse they need to buy their own.

 

[honetpot]

I would agree 100% if the horse was younger. I think anyone loaning a horse in its late teens would be reasonable in fervently hoping, to the point of convincing themselves it was true, that after two years the horse was going to be with them forever.

That's why I couldn't do it to her, the age of the horse is a big part of it. Unless of course I had been reminding her on a regular basis that I would need him back at any time I felt like jumping him again.
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Most that I have loaned out have been old, the last one was thirty. They will never be sold, they will always be mine, and how ever nice, loving, caring the loaner is, the buck stops with me. The last one was PTS out on loan, I had owned him since he was three, and no way does two years ish care outweigh the hours put in to training him, and the times spent with my children. In some ways, they are your children, you want them to go out in the world and do a good job, but like my real children there is always a space for them.
I actually find it very rare that loaners are not self interested, as soon as animal can not do the job they loaned it for, they are quite happy to send it back, even if they have had it for over two years. They say they no longer need it, and I try and collect it the same day, there is usually a tale.

 

[Tiddlypom]

That is the plan! I actually planned for a visit this weekend, but she has timing issues and they don't fit in with me unfortunately

I strongly advise that you go and see the horse this weekend anyway, whether the loanee is there or not. Any attempt from a loanee to put off a visit from the owner for any reason should be ringing very loud alarm bells.

I have been both a loaner and a loanee. I would never loan a horse out again.

 

[Fjord]

I hope the visit goes OK OP. Whilst it is horrible for her and no doubt she will be incredibly upset, you are well within your rights to take him back, whatever your reasons. That doesn't mean you can't feel sorry for her as well, it's just the way loaning is. She may want to send him back sooner rather than later though, so as not to prolong the upset, so just be prepared to have to move quickly.

 

[southerncomfort]

Any chance she might have seen this post?

 

[Tiddlypom]

Any chance she might have seen this post?

I'd be very surprised if she hasn't been alerted to it by now, there are enough details given for acquaintances on both sides to work out who is who.

Gossip travels fast.

 

[TheChestnutThing]

I strongly advise that you go and see the horse this weekend anyway, whether the loanee is there or not. Any attempt from a loanee to put off a visit from the owner for any reason should be ringing very loud alarm bells.

I have been both a loaner and a loanee. I would never loan a horse out again.

I'd be very surprised if she hasn't been alerted to it by now, there are enough details given for acquaintances on both sides to work out who is who.

Gossip travels fast.

she doesn’t know. She would have got in touch if she did. She is also a very private person so would not be on this forum.

 

[TheChestnutThing]

I strongly advise that you go and see the horse this weekend anyway, whether the loanee is there or not. Any attempt from a loanee to put off a visit from the owner for any reason should be ringing very loud alarm bells.

I have been both a loaner and a loanee. I would never loan a horse out again.[/QUOT

I strongly advise that you go and see the horse this weekend anyway, whether the loanee is there or not. Any attempt from a loanee to put off a visit from the owner for any reason should be ringing very loud alarm bells.

I have been both a loaner and a loanee. I would never loan a horse out again.

Unfortunately I have tried and she won’t let me go without her being there. Said the yard owner won’t like it…

 

[Red-1]

Unfortunately I have tried and she won’t let me go without her being there. Said the yard owner won’t like it…

Eeek, I'm sorry but this would ring alarm bells for me. You are the horse's owner and I would expect to be allowed access. I would contact the yard owner direct.

 

[AmyMay]

Eeek, I'm sorry but this would ring alarm bells for me. You are the horse's owner and I would expect to be allowed access. I would contact the yard owner direct.

This.

 

[ycbm]

Unfortunately I have tried and she won’t let me go without her being there. Said the yard owner won’t like it…

You need to turn up unannounced.

Preferably with your trailer.

 

[Gloi]

That's a total red flag! You need to get there pronto. With trailer and someone who won't be easily intimidated.

 

[nagblagger]

I can see why its a red flag, but from another perspective, my land owner wouldn't want 'strangers' turning up unannounced on his land to see my horses. There should have been an introduction to the YO at the start and stipulations that you could turn up - but hind sight is wonderful.
I definitely would go prepared to collect the horse so, if he is not in the best condition, you can revoke the 2 month notice.

 

[AmyMay]

I can see why its a red flag, but from another perspective, my land owner wouldn't want 'strangers' turning up unannounced on his land to see my horses. There should have been an introduction to the YO at the start and stipulations that you could turn up - but hind sight is wonderful.
I definitely would go prepared to collect the horse so, if he is not in the best condition, you can revoke the 2 month notice.

I agree in some respects. But a phone call to YO or a knock at the door upon arrival should be ok.

 

[TheChestnutThing]

I can see why its a red flag, but from another perspective, my land owner wouldn't want 'strangers' turning up unannounced on his land to see my horses. There should have been an introduction to the YO at the start and stipulations that you could turn up - but hind sight is wonderful.
I definitely would go prepared to collect the horse so, if he is not in the best condition, you can revoke the 2 month notice.

I was introduced to the YO as when they moved yards I made sure that I inspected and moved him myself.

hopefully we will sort something out for this weekend.