The SNP and Mrs Nicola Sturgeon

Judgemental said:
I am rather busy at the moment and was saving up all the responses for this evening.

But the above, oh dear, that does need an immediate reply, next you are going to tell us the Queen has abdicated from Scotland.

That it's, President Sturgeon of The Republic of Scotland.

Goodness me the lady has certainly brain washed, 'you people'.

The ghosts of Jacobites still walk and wail in the mists.
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OK I'll bite.

What, pray tell, do you think Scotland is, if not a country, Judgemental?
 
millikins said:
Maybe, but that is anecdotal. An awful lot voted "no" too because despite repeated opportunities to do so, Alex Salmond was unable to offer a credible answer as to how an independent Scotland would be financed, or what currency it would use.
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One reason I voted No to Scottish Independence was that I had been persuaded that it would be bad for science research (just as I fear Brexit will be). For me the EU issue was minor, although I was and am in favour of EU membership on purely selfish grounds.

Now my heart is telling me I might as well vote Yes in any new Indyref2, because we are beggared anyway and one might as well be hanged for a sheep etc., although my head is telling my heart to "Haud yir wheesht, yi haverin bastirt!".
 
Buddy'sMum said:
Couldn't find the answer on Wikipedia?
The First Minister is a MSP but not a MP and therefore cannot sit in the UK Parliament.
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Thank you for that piece of enlightenment it is most helpful.

What about my question concerning the currency and the Euro?

I have been watching the current debate in the H of C concerning Faslane and our Nuclear deterrent.

The SNP have been trotting out policy and the views of 'President' Sturgeon on Nuclear armaments.

The amount of money and economic well being injected into Faslane and area by the Navy, is phenomenal, yet the SNP say they don't want the money or contribution it makes to the economy.

Plainly these people need to mature and pay less attention to the fanatical frenzy of nationalism, whipped up by 'President' Sturgeon
 
Buddy'sMum said:
OK I'll bite.

What, pray tell, do you think Scotland is, if not a country, Judgemental?
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It's our country and the country is the United Kingdom.

You people are not mature enough to have a country to call your own because the governance is defective.

I was thinking that may be, 'President' Sturgeon is so deluded, she thinks she is a reincarnation of Bonnie Prince Charlie and is the young 'pretender' to the throne of England, supported by all the Jacobite ghosts.

Och I you'll be troublesome again.......
 
Have been watching some more of the Nuclear deterrent debate.

It dawned on me, all this nonsense peddled by the SNP and Sturgeon, so far as remaining part of the EU and or independence has a great deal to do with Faslane and the cost. A cost that the Scottish assembly does not have to meet, nevertheless the country benefits from all the money Faslane costs.

Seemingly as long as the Faslane facility is fully operational, Scotland is tied to the United Kingdom, hence the fact the SNP and Sturgeon wholly misguidedly want to follow a juvenile narcissistic path of unilateral nuclear disarmament.

They and she could not give a damn for the security of the jobs created by Faslane, or the security of the United Kingdom.

They have one focus, that of selfish egocentric arrogance.
 
Well there you are good people of Scotland, your leader is wholly unreliable, dishonest and duplicitous.

Plainly her spin was an outright lie.

What ever you do stick with the UK and don't revisit Independence. Sturgeon will spin to such an extent to the EU, that they will give her the order of the boot!

By MATT DATHAN, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 10:52, 18 July 2016 | UPDATED: 19:21, 18 July 2016

"Nicola Sturgeon’s office has admitted Scotland does not have a veto on Britain’s Brexit negotiations after she appeared to suggest Theresa May had given her a say over when to trigger Article 50.

The new Prime Minister told Scotland’s First Minister on Friday she would not trigger the formal process for leaving the EU until she had agreed a ‘UK approach’.

Asked whether this meant Scotland had been given a veto, Ms Sturgeon told the BBC yesterday that it ‘certainly appeared to be an interpretation that some put on the Prime Minister’s remarks’ and said they had put Scotland in a ‘very, very strong position’ that she would ‘use as well as I can’.

Today Downing Street then dismissed any suggestion that Mrs May had offered Ms Sturgeon a veto and insisted the Prime Minister would have the final say on when Britain starts the Brexit process.

Ms Sturgeon’s spokesperson admitted tonight: ‘We’re not going around saying we have a veto, because frankly, we don’t."

Frankly bearing in mind the result of the Nuclear deterrent vote, being carried with a massive majority for the government this evening, Sturgeon should resign.
 
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Judgemental said:
Well there you are good people of Scotland, your leader is wholly unreliable, dishonest and duplicitous.

Plainly her spin was an outright lie.

What ever you do stick with the UK and don't revisit Independence. Sturgeon will spin to such an extent to the EU, that they will give her the order of the boot!

By MATT DATHAN, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 10:52, 18 July 2016 | UPDATED: 19:21, 18 July 2016

"Nicola Sturgeon’s office has admitted Scotland does not have a veto on Britain’s Brexit negotiations after she appeared to suggest Theresa May had given her a say over when to trigger Article 50.

The new Prime Minister told Scotland’s First Minister on Friday she would not trigger the formal process for leaving the EU until she had agreed a ‘UK approach’.

Asked whether this meant Scotland had been given a veto, Ms Sturgeon told the BBC yesterday that it ‘certainly appeared to be an interpretation that some put on the Prime Minister’s remarks’ and said they had put Scotland in a ‘very, very strong position’ that she would ‘use as well as I can’.

Today Downing Street then dismissed any suggestion that Mrs May had offered Ms Sturgeon a veto and insisted the Prime Minister would have the final say on when Britain starts the Brexit process.

Ms Sturgeon’s spokesperson admitted tonight: ‘We’re not going around saying we have a veto, because frankly, we don’t."

Frankly bearing in mind the result of the Nuclear deterrent vote, being carried with a massive majority for the government this evening, Sturgeon should resign.
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Did you actually watch the Andrew Marr interview? The First Minister never actually said Scotland has a veto, despite two attempts by the interviewer to get her to.

So that's a bit of a non story, Judgemental.
 
Buddy'sMum said:
Did you actually watch the Andrew Marr interview? The First Minister never actually said Scotland has a veto, despite two attempts by the interviewer to get her to.

So that's a bit of a non story, Judgemental.
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Look no matter how much all you folk are infatuated with Sturgeon, it is no good dressing her up and as something reliable.

Every single paper has said the same, tonight, plainly she let it be known she had a veto.

I am always impeccably courteous to people who post on this forum but you are all being remarkably naive and gullible.
 
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Judgemental said:
Look no matter how much all you folk are infatuated with Sturgeon, it is no good dressing her up and as something reliable.

Every single paper has said the same, tonight, plainly she let it be known she had a veto.

I am always impeccably courteous to people who post on this forum but you are all being remarkably naive and gullible.
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Here's a link to the full interview. At what point does the First Minister say Scotland has a veto?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p041r1ch
 
Buddy'sMum said:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is not a country, Judgemental :rolleyes:
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That's the nub of the problem isn't it? Great Britain has existed since 1707 yet Scots insist they live in a different country (and mean more by that than just semantics). Meanwhile, the US has existed since 1789 and identify as Americans even though the population of most of their states far exceeds that of Scotland, 38 million in California.
 
'Asked whether this meant Scotland had been given a veto, Ms Sturgeon told the BBC yesterday that it ‘certainly appeared to be an interpretation that some put on the Prime Minister’s remarks’ and said they had put Scotland in a ‘very, very strong position’ that she would ‘use as well as I can’.
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Some, not Nicola herself.

after she appeared to suggest Theresa May had given her a say over when to trigger Article 50.
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'appeared to suggest' - in whose opinion? lots of things can appear but not actually be correct
'given her a say over when to trigger article 50 - when, no veto suggested just that it would be done in discussion.

Sorry but nowhere to I see that NS has been touting that TM had given her a veto on whether to trigger article 50 and I sometimes wonder if we are reading the same things or if JM is adding random info that isn't actually there!?
 
ycbm said:
That's the nub of the problem isn't it? Great Britain has existed since 1707 yet Scots insist they live in a different country (and mean more by that than just semantics). Meanwhile, the US has existed since 1789 and identify as Americans even though the population of most of their states far exceeds that of Scotland, 38 million in California.
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Yeah, but the American states have no/very little history as far as the current settleage is concerned prior to then. Scotland conversely has lots as a country.
 
ester said:
Yeah, but the American states have no/very little history as far as the current settleage is concerned prior to then. Scotland conversely has lots as a country.
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Yes, including providing the the first joint monarch of England and Scotland and the Stuart dynasty, numerous Prime Ministers and other senior members of the governing class.
 
Well folks, fascinated to know who is viewing bearing in mind the views stand at 10,044 for this thread in six days. We never have that view rate on this forum.

Perhaps Sturgeon and her minions.

What I cannot understand is this remarkable lack of patriotism. The SNP voted against Trident. A vote that only takes place once every 50 odd years, give or take.

It brings in about £31 billion into the economy of Scotland and keeps us at the top of the global tree in so many respects, with a kindred spirit generated because we are one of the five powers who maintain the nuclear deterrent.

There is Barnett Consequential, a financial gift to Scotland

When we are out of the EU, VAT can be set according to the needs of the Scots and inclement weather when it comes to fuel bills.

Also a variety of special financial arrangements can be put in place to help for example, the whiskey industry and production of tweed.

Sorry I just don't get all this aggravation that Sturgeon and the SNP are dishing out.

Perhaps somebody would explain.
 
If you want Trident JM, arrange to have it stationed in the Thames, or off Cornwall.

Some of you need to look up the definitions of regions and countries.
 
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ester said:
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Some, not Nicola herself.



'appeared to suggest' - in whose opinion? lots of things can appear but not actually be correct
'given her a say over when to trigger article 50 - when, no veto suggested just that it would be done in discussion.

Sorry but nowhere to I see that NS has been touting that TM had given her a veto on whether to trigger article 50 and I sometimes wonder if we are reading the same things or if JM is adding random info that isn't actually there!?
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thank you Ester.
 
It seems to me that Scotland is an unsolvable problem. It can't support itself and has to take money from a richer country to survive. It doesn't want that to be England and would prefer it to be the EU. But it also wants a socialist society which can only be financed by borrowing, and the EU would not allow it to join the Euro, a requirement of joining the EU, without an austerity budget which would wipe that ambition out. Meanwhile, it is held against the English that they will not allow Britain's economic strength to be put into jeopardy by Scots borrowing to obtain their socialist objectives.

There's no answer, is there?

What has this got to do with hunting :D ?
 
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MotherOfChickens said:
If you want Trident JM, arrange to have it stationed in the Thames, or off Cornwall.

Some of you need to look up the definitions of regions and countries.
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Hold hard a moment. What is wrong with Trident being based as Faslane. It employs 15,000 huge. Also a huge number of ancillary industries are benefiting Scotland.

Don't you want the money and benefits to the economy.
 
ycbm said:
It seems to me that Scotland is an unsolvable. It can't support itself and has to take money from a richer country to survive. It doesn't want that to be England and would prefer it to be the EU. But it also wants a socialist society which can only be financed by borrowing, and the EU would not allow it to join the Euro, a requirement of joining the EU, without an austerity budget which would wipe that ambition out. Meanwhile, it is held against the English that they will not allow their economic strength to be put into jeopardy by Scots borrowing to obtain their socialist dream.

There's no answer, is there?

What has this got to do with hunting :D ?
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Indeed you are so right ycbm.

So far as the hunting is concerned, go to page 16 and you will see my post concerning the issue of the proposed amendment, to the 2004 Hunting Act that was set down for debate in the H of C, using the Statutory Instrument.

Sturgeon (she does not get the courtesy of her given name or Mrs because she 'ran word' and or welched) gave her word that the SNP would stand aside in the Commons when English Votes for English laws were involved.

At the last minute she gave instructions to her SNP Mob in the Commons not to stand aside, simply for egotistical narcissistic reasons and to assert herself without being present. Consequently the debate had to be pulled.

As a result she has made herself 'the Fox' we cannot hunt and will be hounded at every opportunity.

Frankly I think she should resign, because she is wholly unpatriotic and has lost the vote on Trident and is out of her depth concerning Independence and the membership of the EU.
 
Judgemental said:
Well folks, fascinated to know who is viewing bearing in mind the views stand at 10,044 for this thread in six days. We never have that view rate on this forum.

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Really? You know all the view rates do you? I don't think you spend enough time in the clubhouse :p.
 
I would also think poorly of anyone who thought of financial incentives when considering whether to have a nuclear weapon. I think and would hope that the arguments involved in that are way beyond the finances!

oh and page 16, sort your settings out, some of us are only on page 6 :p
 
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