millikins
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if the SNP are truly serious about another independence vote perhaps they should insist that it is open to the English voter too. I think they could be reasonably certain of the outcome then.
if the SNP are truly serious about another independence vote perhaps they should insist that it is open to the English voter too. I think they could be reasonably certain of the outcome then.
Need a like button for that!!!
if the SNP are truly serious about another independence vote perhaps they should insist that it is open to the English voter too. I think they could be reasonably certain of the outcome then.
I suspect they, the SNP are watching this thread and are in blind panic.
Snap! There is in fact a move to force Independence upon Scotland. Never mind 'We want to leave'. …….. Excellent, '…….. Go'!
Sturgeon has become something of a prima donna, and she needs to grasp the concept of negotiation.
Alec.
What specifically has she done that gives you the impression that she has no negotiation skills? And has become a Prima Donna??
What specifically has she done that gives you the impression that she has no negotiation skills? And has become a Prima Donna??
But they didn't. I have no idea where you get that from. She was there for talks and she talked. She has a mandate to keep Scotland in the EU. And it's nowt to do with how she reported it, it's what the EU member states and other governing bodies responded with rather publicly.Mainly because for example all the people she tried to speak to in europe told her to go away and not to poke her nose into the situation as none of them have any intention of negotiating with her. I am sure that is not what she told her electorate in Scotland however. She thinks she has a mandate to do whatever she likes and has become carried away, remember europe warned her she was wasting her time going there but she thought they would give in. She always wants her cake and to eat it.
If we in England give you the freedom to create your own laws what gives scotland the right to interfer in laws that only effect England because whatever you think that is the situation we are in and she uses that for political point scoring and to show everybody she is using her disproportionate power.
Her demands and bullish approach. Perhaps it's how the media reports her, and if that's the problem then there are other routes by which she can have the world understand her.
Alec.
But they didn't. I have no idea where you get that from. She was there for talks and she talked. She has a mandate to keep Scotland in the EU. And it's nowt to do with how she reported it, it's what the EU member states and other governing bodies responded with rather publicly.
Westminster hasn't given Scotland the right to make all her own laws. I'll let you know when they do. She voted on one bloody thing, a repeal on hunting and she did so because the people who voted her in demanded she did. Seriously take the blinkers off mate. And read a news article now and again.
And wether you like it or not the SNP has as much right to vote on matters of public interest in this country as any other party. They were democratically voted in so I suggest you deal with it
Oh and by the way how does it feel to have a group of people not vote in by England get to say what happens In England?? Yeah....didn't bother a jot when it was England making all the decisions for Scotland - welcome to our world. How's the view?
Mainly because for example all the people she tried to speak to in europe told her to go away and not to poke her nose into the situation as none of them have any intention of negotiating with her. I am sure that is not what she told her electorate in Scotland however. She thinks she has a mandate to do whatever she likes and has become carried away, remember europe warned her she was wasting her time going there but she thought they would give in.
In case you missed it there was this thing called a referendum and we are still part of the U.K. So we get to vote and we get a say. You know , Better Together, until it suits English politicians who suddenly decided that we were not really in it together and the prospect of having anyone from Scotland have the remotest say I the country they so desperately wanted us to remain part of was just too much for them. But like the English people who think Scotland should just sit down and shut up. It's not me with the chip Hun. And it's not a sense of entitlement, it's a democratically given right.When you say country which one you talking about England? or are you lumping us all together when it suits you to do so.
If its England you are indeed doing what you say you dont.
Im glad you have just clarified the sense of entitlement those in power in scotland seem to exhibited and the pathetic chip on the shoulder of the whingers north of the border like I say be very careful of where some of your politicians are trying to lead you as you may not like the outcome.
Really? Pretty sure she met with Guy Verhofstadt (one of the Brexit negotiators), Jean Claude Juncker and Martin Schulz.
And MSPs voted overwhelmingly in support of her commencing negotiations with the EU (92 to 0, I think). So she didn't think she had a mandate, she actually did have a mandate!
By the way 92 meps voted out of 751 in total hardly a huge open arms welcome and not enough to actually count within the parliament where abstaining is the usual way of saying no.
Scotland should just sit down and shut up.
MSP's Members of Scottish Parliament. Of which there are 92, voted 100% on the talks and provided the mandate for those talks
Sorry my mistake. However I am sure you are well aware that national assemblies with such large majorities can be very unpredictable beast but hey you guys will have to live with it .
Very good point.
Sorry my mistake. However I am sure you are well aware that national assemblies with such large majorities can be very unpredictable beast but hey you guys will have to live with it .
Still dont quite understand why the great desire to become part of europe when they will be trying to take away the freedoms bestowed on your country by devolution. Luckily I think europe will actually be forced to change and we will all stay in at the end of the day.
Have we not been a part of Europe through being part of the U.K. Since devolution?? Or am I missing something? Some new ruling that will take place should we join independent of England and Wales and Northern Ireland??? Haven't noticed theses losses of freedoms during these last years. Could you please quote this legislation?? I'd be rather interested
Black Beastie ... you're not actually asking them to back up their rants with FACTS, are you? Perish the thought
Oh dear you are seriously going to get wound up about a flag?? Are you really old
Err, so I'm sure it would work really well if the decided that NS and TM didn't have to speak to each other in their respective roles, that would work really well.
and flags, I find it a constant source of confusion why they are such an issue for people. Same as with NI when issues are listed as 'flags, parades and the past' in that order!