* TEAM SAM *
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Sorry those are weights i found of net for x5 ???
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Sorry those are weights i found of net for x5 ???
* TEAM SAM *
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yes last one
Kerb Weight KG 85% Weight KG Max Ball Weight KG Max Towing Weight KG
2170 1844 120 2700
ROG
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I am having a problem finding the GVW for that model but I can estimate it.
BMW X5 3.0D
Kerb 2170
GVW 2600 estimated
Towing 2700
IFOR HB 505
Unladen 905
MAM 2340
No way this vehicle or trailer can be towed on a B licence
The GVW of the vehicle and the MAM of the trailer are way too high - they add up to about 5000 kgs which is way over the 3500 limit
ROG
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BATESON 2 HORSE TRAILER
7 foot headroom
Unladen 675 kgs
MAM 1700 - reduce to 1400 MAM by contacting Bateson
Toyota Rav 4 (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1425
GVW = 1785
Max towing weight = 1500
Max trailer plated MAM = 1425 kgs
Nissan X trail (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1515
GVW = 2050
Towing = 2000
Max trailer plated MAM = 1450 kgs
Kia Sportage (AWD) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1678
GVW = 2140 - reduce trailer MAM to 1360 for this vehicle
Towing = 1600
Max trailer plated MAM = 1360 kgs
FREELANDER 1 (2001 - 2005)
Unladen/kerb = 1500
GVW = 2040
Towing = 1800
Max trailer plated MAM = 1460 kgs
Any of the above vehicles with that Bateson will leave at least 650 kgs for the horse/load
7 foot headroom
Unladen 675 kgs
MAM 1700 - reduce to 1400 MAM by contacting Bateson
Toyota Rav 4 (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1425
GVW = 1785
Max towing weight = 1500
Max trailer plated MAM = 1425 kgs
Nissan X trail (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1515
GVW = 2050
Towing = 2000
Max trailer plated MAM = 1450 kgs
Kia Sportage (AWD) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1678
GVW = 2140 - reduce trailer MAM to 1360 for this vehicle
Towing = 1600
Max trailer plated MAM = 1360 kgs
FREELANDER 1 (2001 - 2005)
Unladen/kerb = 1500
GVW = 2040
Towing = 1800
Max trailer plated MAM = 1460 kgs
Any of the above vehicles with that Bateson will leave at least 650 kgs for the horse/load
* TEAM SAM *
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So my car is too heavy??? for any trailer i have the car its the trailer i have a option with ?
Thanks for your help
ROG
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The rules for B licence towing mean that the calculation is this -
3500 minus the car GVW leaves the MAM amount for the trailer
Lets say you have a car with 2500 GVW
3500-2500=1000
1000 maximum trailer MAM and as the lightest horse trailer I know of is 655 kgs unladen/empty then that leaves only 345 kgs for a horse etc !!
* TEAM SAM *
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ROG
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looks like ill be doing my test do u do training noticed your leicester im measham ?????
No I dont but I can recommend 0116 2877692 and tell Dorian or Rick that ROG says Hi
If you were nearer then I could have helped you out privately
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* TEAM SAM *
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thanks will do ... i am leicestershire but its a big place lol xx
Thanks again for all ur help x
icemaiden113
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Please help!
I have looked at the truck and trailer and still don't know what the weights are etc so have no idea!
The truck is a Landrover Defender 110 td5 station wagon and trailer an ifor williams 505
How much weight can i tow?
I have looked at the truck and trailer and still don't know what the weights are etc so have no idea!
The truck is a Landrover Defender 110 td5 station wagon and trailer an ifor williams 505
How much weight can i tow?
ROG
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A B+E licence will be required for this set up
Using the Landrover Defender 110 td5 station wagon specifications from HERE and also HERE
Kerb 1950
GVW 3050
Towing 3500
IFOR HB505 SPECS
Unladen 905
MAM 2340
The trailer can be legally loaded with 1435 kgs
Does that answer your query?
Django Pony
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Hi ROG,
I've been offered a Volkswagen Touran 1.6 TDI BlueMotion Tech S 5d as a company car, and wondered if it will be ok to tow my trailer? Here's a link to the car on Parkers http://goo.gl/DhrqU. My trailer weighs 700kg. I would only tow 1 horse who weighs about 480kg.
I don't currently have my B+E entitlement, but am taking lessons very soon to do my test.
Do you think it would be practical and tow effectively?
Thanks in advance!
I've been offered a Volkswagen Touran 1.6 TDI BlueMotion Tech S 5d as a company car, and wondered if it will be ok to tow my trailer? Here's a link to the car on Parkers http://goo.gl/DhrqU. My trailer weighs 700kg. I would only tow 1 horse who weighs about 480kg.
I don't currently have my B+E entitlement, but am taking lessons very soon to do my test.
Do you think it would be practical and tow effectively?
Thanks in advance!
ROG
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B licence
YOUR VEHICLE SPECS
kerb 1544
GVW 2180
Towing 1500
Max trailer plated MAM is 1320 kg for B licence towing
1320+2180=3500
As your trailer weighs 700 unladen and the horse weighs 500 appx then having a trailer plated at say 1300 leaves 100 kgs spare
What is your trailer currently plated at?
What make is the trailer?
Django Pony
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Hi,
It's a Sinclair front unload trailer. I'm not sure what it's plated at, how do I find out? Also, how do I get it plated at 1300kg?
Sorry if I'm being really thick here!
JJ
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ROG
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It is usually on a silver plate attatched to somewhere on the trailer
Trailers without plates use the total of the TYRE LOAD RATINGS to determine the MAM.
A rating of 66 on 4 tyres would give a MAM of 1200 kgs.
I believe sinclair trailers are not trading any more so getting it downplated is impossible however, if there is no plate (ahem!! cough!!) then changing the tyres for a lower tyre rating will reduce the MAM
Django Pony
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I see, so if it didn't have a plate and I had 4 tyres put on with a load rating of 69, it would have a MAM of 1300kg?
How easy is it to change the tyres, would doing so affect the trailer in any way?
ROG
Well-Known Member
How to find tyre load ratings
Not a technician but I would not have thought that it would affect the handling if the tyres are the same size
4 @ rating 69 = 1300kgs
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Django Pony
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ROG
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Thanks for all your help ROG!
no prob - thats why I do this
Does this mean you are not now doing the B+E?
Django Pony
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no prob - thats why I do this
Does this mean you are not now doing the B+E?
I'm going to have a look at the trailer tomorrow, so see if it has a plate and if so what it is plated at, then I'll go from there.
I'd still have a few towing lessons even if I don't have to do my test, just to make sure I know what I'm doing, but I'll be well chuffed if I don't have to sit the test!
Thanks again!
ROG
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OOH - just seen this thread is now over 500 posts
frannieuk
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Hi ROG,
I have a pre-1997 licence and am currently driving a BMW X1 S-drive 20d (max towing capacity 1800kg). What I want to do is get a Bateson Deauville (unladen 860kg) and tow 1 biggish horse in it (650kg). Would I therefore need to get the trailer down plated?
Many thanks in advance,
Frannie
ETA information!
I have a pre-1997 licence and am currently driving a BMW X1 S-drive 20d (max towing capacity 1800kg). What I want to do is get a Bateson Deauville (unladen 860kg) and tow 1 biggish horse in it (650kg). Would I therefore need to get the trailer down plated?
Many thanks in advance,
Frannie
ETA information!
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ROG
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NO
There is no legal requirement that states the plated MAM of a trailer cannot be more than the manufacturers towing capacity for the vehicle
There are some rumours doing the rounds on the internet saying otherwise which many are starting to believe - those rumours say something like "The potential is there to exceed the towing capcity" or similar wording to that.
The manufacturers towing capcity refers to the actual weight of the empty trailer plus the load being towed
With a 1800 towing capacity and a (pre 97) B+E licence you can tow a trailer with a 3500 kgs plated MAM but when loaded it should not exceed 1800 kgs
frannieuk
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ROG, that's marvellous - thank you for clearing that up, much appreciated!
tallyho!
Following a strict mediterranean diet...
OOH - just seen this thread is now over 500 posts
Flippin 'eck!!!!
I'd just like to say cheers ROG, you're a legend. Here's to 500 more...
nikCscott
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Amazing thread thank you
Here are my vitals...
Licence - Prov entitlement B&E
Unladen tow car - 1665 (LR 90 TD5)
GVW - 2400
GTW - 3500
Plated MAM - 2700 (ifor 510)
Unladen trailer - 1000
+ 1x horse of 650 max
Awaits with one eye open and fingers crossed........
Here are my vitals...
Licence - Prov entitlement B&E
Unladen tow car - 1665 (LR 90 TD5)
GVW - 2400
GTW - 3500
Plated MAM - 2700 (ifor 510)
Unladen trailer - 1000
+ 1x horse of 650 max
Awaits with one eye open and fingers crossed........
nikCscott
Well-Known Member
........Doubt it is legal but as I'm currently borrowing my Dad's defender if i bought another vehicle (heavier perhaps) could I get around it? I have had some trailer lessons and unfortunately 'just' failed my test on Tuesday and have a summer full of kids shows (pony 250kgs)
ROG
Well-Known Member
On a B licence its a no go
because the high vehicle GVW of 2400 means a maximum trailer plated MAM of 1100 kgs which is no good for horse trailer towing because the lightest single horse trailer I know of is about 650 kgs leaving only about 450kgs for the load/horsePerfectly OK for B+E provisional towing and the trailer loaded with 1700 kgs
SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
ROG
Well-Known Member
What you need is a lighter spec vehicle and a lighter spec trailer........Doubt it is legal but as I'm currently borrowing my Dad's defender if i bought another vehicle (heavier perhaps) could I get around it? I have had some trailer lessons and unfortunately 'just' failed my test on Tuesday and have a summer full of kids shows (pony 250kgs)
BATESON LIGHT HORSE TRAILER
CHEVAL LIGHT HORSE TRAILER
IFOR LIGHT HORSE TRAILER
Contact trailer manufacturer to have trailer downplated if needed (free or very little cost)
Toyota Rav 4 (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1425
GVW = 1785
Max towing weight = 1500
Max trailer plated MAM = 1425 kgs
Nissan X trail (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1515
GVW = 2050
Towing = 2000
Max trailer plated MAM = 1450 kgs
Kia Sportage (AWD) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1678
GVW = 2140
Towing = 1600
Max trailer plated MAM = 1360 kgs
FREELANDER 1 (2001 - 2005)
Unladen/kerb = 1500
GVW = 2040
Towing = 1800
Max trailer plated MAM = 1460 kgs
Any of the above vehicles with any of the trailers will leave at least 550 kgs for the horse/load