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I also found those but they refer to only one X5 model and there are others so which model X5 is it please

There is a list - see 2002 list - HERE

Is it any of those in that list?

yes last one

Kerb Weight KG 85% Weight KG Max Ball Weight KG Max Towing Weight KG

2170 1844 120 2700
 

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yes last one

Kerb Weight KG 85% Weight KG Max Ball Weight KG Max Towing Weight KG

2170 1844 120 2700

I am having a problem finding the GVW for that model but I can estimate it.
BMW X5 3.0D
Kerb 2170
GVW 2600 estimated
Towing 2700

IFOR HB 505
Unladen 905
MAM 2340

No way this vehicle or trailer can be towed on a B licence

The GVW of the vehicle and the MAM of the trailer are way too high - they add up to about 5000 kgs which is way over the 3500 limit
 

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BATESON 2 HORSE TRAILER
7 foot headroom
Unladen 675 kgs
MAM 1700 - reduce to 1400 MAM by contacting Bateson

Toyota Rav 4 (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1425
GVW = 1785
Max towing weight = 1500
Max trailer plated MAM = 1425 kgs


Nissan X trail (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1515
GVW = 2050
Towing = 2000
Max trailer plated MAM = 1450 kgs

Kia Sportage (AWD) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1678
GVW = 2140 - reduce trailer MAM to 1360 for this vehicle
Towing = 1600
Max trailer plated MAM = 1360 kgs

FREELANDER 1 (2001 - 2005)
Unladen/kerb = 1500
GVW = 2040
Towing = 1800
Max trailer plated MAM = 1460 kgs


Any of the above vehicles with that Bateson will leave at least 650 kgs for the horse/load
 

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BATESON 2 HORSE TRAILER
7 foot headroom
Unladen 675 kgs
MAM 1700 - reduce to 1400 MAM by contacting Bateson

Toyota Rav 4 (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1425
GVW = 1785
Max towing weight = 1500
Max trailer plated MAM = 1425 kgs


Nissan X trail (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1515
GVW = 2050
Towing = 2000
Max trailer plated MAM = 1450 kgs

Kia Sportage (AWD) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1678
GVW = 2140 - reduce trailer MAM to 1360 for this vehicle
Towing = 1600
Max trailer plated MAM = 1360 kgs

FREELANDER 1 (2001 - 2005)
Unladen/kerb = 1500
GVW = 2040
Towing = 1800
Max trailer plated MAM = 1460 kgs


Any of the above vehicles with that Bateson will leave at least 650 kgs for the horse/load

So my car is too heavy??? for any trailer i have the car its the trailer i have a option with ?

Thanks for your help
 

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So my car is too heavy??? for any trailer i have the car its the trailer i have a option with ?

Thanks for your help
The rules for B licence towing mean that the calculation is this -
3500 minus the car GVW leaves the MAM amount for the trailer

Lets say you have a car with 2500 GVW
3500-2500=1000
1000 maximum trailer MAM and as the lightest horse trailer I know of is 655 kgs unladen/empty then that leaves only 345 kgs for a horse etc !!
 

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The rules for B licence towing mean that the calculation is this -
3500 minus the car GVW leaves the MAM amount for the trailer

Lets say you have a car with 2500 GVW
3500-2500=1000
1000 maximum trailer MAM and as the lightest horse trailer I know of is 655 kgs unladen/empty then that leaves only 345 kgs for a horse etc !!

:( looks like ill be doing my test do u do training noticed your leicester im measham ?????
 

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Please help!

I have looked at the truck and trailer and still don't know what the weights are etc so have no idea!

The truck is a Landrover Defender 110 td5 station wagon and trailer an ifor williams 505

How much weight can i tow?
 

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Please help!

I have looked at the truck and trailer and still don't know what the weights are etc so have no idea!

The truck is a Landrover Defender 110 td5 station wagon and trailer an ifor williams 505

How much weight can i tow?

A B+E licence will be required for this set up

Using the Landrover Defender 110 td5 station wagon specifications from HERE and also HERE
Kerb 1950
GVW 3050
Towing 3500

IFOR HB505 SPECS
Unladen 905
MAM 2340

The trailer can be legally loaded with 1435 kgs

Does that answer your query?
 

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Hi ROG,

I've been offered a Volkswagen Touran 1.6 TDI BlueMotion Tech S 5d as a company car, and wondered if it will be ok to tow my trailer? Here's a link to the car on Parkers http://goo.gl/DhrqU. My trailer weighs 700kg. I would only tow 1 horse who weighs about 480kg.
I don't currently have my B+E entitlement, but am taking lessons very soon to do my test.
Do you think it would be practical and tow effectively?
Thanks in advance!
 

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Hi ROG,

I've been offered a Volkswagen Touran 1.6 TDI BlueMotion Tech S 5d as a company car, and wondered if it will be ok to tow my trailer? Here's a link to the car on Parkers http://goo.gl/DhrqU. My trailer weighs 700kg. I would only tow 1 horse who weighs about 480kg.
I don't currently have my B+E entitlement, but am taking lessons very soon to do my test.
Do you think it would be practical and tow effectively?
Thanks in advance!
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YOUR VEHICLE SPECS
kerb 1544
GVW 2180
Towing 1500

Max trailer plated MAM is 1320 kg for B licence towing
1320+2180=3500

As your trailer weighs 700 unladen and the horse weighs 500 appx then having a trailer plated at say 1300 leaves 100 kgs spare

What is your trailer currently plated at?

What make is the trailer?
 

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B licence

YOUR VEHICLE SPECS
kerb 1544
GVW 2180
Towing 1500

Max trailer plated MAM is 1320 kg for B licence towing
1320+2180=3500

As your trailer weighs 700 unladen and the horse weighs 500 appx then having a trailer plated at say 1300 leaves 100 kgs spare

What is your trailer currently plated at?

What make is the trailer?

Hi,
It's a Sinclair front unload trailer. I'm not sure what it's plated at, how do I find out? Also, how do I get it plated at 1300kg?
Sorry if I'm being really thick here!
JJ
 
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Hi,
It's a Sinclair front unload trailer. I'm not sure what it's plated at, how do I find out?
Sorry if I'm being really thick here!
JJ
It is usually on a silver plate attatched to somewhere on the trailer

Trailers without plates use the total of the TYRE LOAD RATINGS to determine the MAM.
A rating of 66 on 4 tyres would give a MAM of 1200 kgs.

I believe sinclair trailers are not trading any more so getting it downplated is impossible however, if there is no plate (ahem!! cough!!) then changing the tyres for a lower tyre rating will reduce the MAM
 

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It is usually on a silver plate attatched to somewhere on the trailer

Trailers without plates use the total of the TYRE LOAD RATINGS to determine the MAM.
A rating of 66 on 4 tyres would give a MAM of 1200 kgs.

I believe sinclair trailers are not trading any more so getting it downplated is impossible however, if there is no plate (ahem!! cough!!) then changing the tyres for a lower tyre rating will reduce the MAM

I see, so if it didn't have a plate and I had 4 tyres put on with a load rating of 69, it would have a MAM of 1300kg?
How easy is it to change the tyres, would doing so affect the trailer in any way?
 

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I see, so if it didn't have a plate and I had 4 tyres put on with a load rating of 69, it would have a MAM of 1300kg?
How easy is it to change the tyres, would doing so affect the trailer in any way?
How to find tyre load ratings
Not a technician but I would not have thought that it would affect the handling if the tyres are the same size

4 @ rating 69 = 1300kgs
 
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no prob - thats why I do this :D

Does this mean you are not now doing the B+E?

I'm going to have a look at the trailer tomorrow, so see if it has a plate and if so what it is plated at, then I'll go from there.
I'd still have a few towing lessons even if I don't have to do my test, just to make sure I know what I'm doing, but I'll be well chuffed if I don't have to sit the test! :D
Thanks again! :)
 

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Hi ROG,

I have a pre-1997 licence and am currently driving a BMW X1 S-drive 20d (max towing capacity 1800kg). What I want to do is get a Bateson Deauville (unladen 860kg) and tow 1 biggish horse in it (650kg). Would I therefore need to get the trailer down plated?

Many thanks in advance,
Frannie

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Hi ROG,

I have a pre-1997 licence and am currently driving a BMW X1 S-drive (max towing capacity 1800kg). What I want to do is get a Bateson Deauville (unladen 860kg) and tow 1 biggish horse in it (650kg). Would I therefore need to get the trailer down plated?

Many thanks in advance,
Frannie
NO

There is no legal requirement that states the plated MAM of a trailer cannot be more than the manufacturers towing capacity for the vehicle

There are some rumours doing the rounds on the internet saying otherwise which many are starting to believe - those rumours say something like "The potential is there to exceed the towing capcity" or similar wording to that.

The manufacturers towing capcity refers to the actual weight of the empty trailer plus the load being towed

With a 1800 towing capacity and a (pre 97) B+E licence you can tow a trailer with a 3500 kgs plated MAM but when loaded it should not exceed 1800 kgs
 

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Amazing thread thank you

Here are my vitals...

Licence - Prov entitlement B&E
Unladen tow car - 1665 (LR 90 TD5)
GVW - 2400
GTW - 3500
Plated MAM - 2700 (ifor 510)
Unladen trailer - 1000

+ 1x horse of 650 max
Awaits with one eye open and fingers crossed........
 

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........Doubt it is legal but as I'm currently borrowing my Dad's defender if i bought another vehicle (heavier perhaps) could I get around it? I have had some trailer lessons and unfortunately 'just' failed my test on Tuesday and have a summer full of kids shows (pony 250kgs) :eek::(
 

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Amazing thread thank you

Here are my vitals...

Licence - Prov entitlement B&E
Unladen tow car - 1665 (LR 90 TD5)
GVW - 2400
TOWING CAPACITY ( not GTW) - 3500
Plated MAM - 2700 (ifor 510)
Unladen trailer - 1000

+ 1x horse of 650 max
Awaits with one eye open and fingers crossed........
On a B licence its a no go :( because the high vehicle GVW of 2400 means a maximum trailer plated MAM of 1100 kgs which is no good for horse trailer towing because the lightest single horse trailer I know of is about 650 kgs leaving only about 450kgs for the load/horse

Perfectly OK for B+E provisional towing and the trailer loaded with 1700 kgs

SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
 

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........Doubt it is legal but as I'm currently borrowing my Dad's defender if i bought another vehicle (heavier perhaps) could I get around it? I have had some trailer lessons and unfortunately 'just' failed my test on Tuesday and have a summer full of kids shows (pony 250kgs) :eek::(
What you need is a lighter spec vehicle and a lighter spec trailer

BATESON LIGHT HORSE TRAILER
CHEVAL LIGHT HORSE TRAILER
IFOR LIGHT HORSE TRAILER

Contact trailer manufacturer to have trailer downplated if needed (free or very little cost)

Toyota Rav 4 (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1425
GVW = 1785
Max towing weight = 1500
Max trailer plated MAM = 1425 kgs


Nissan X trail (4X4) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1515
GVW = 2050
Towing = 2000
Max trailer plated MAM = 1450 kgs

Kia Sportage (AWD) with these specifications/dimensions
Unladen/kerb = 1678
GVW = 2140
Towing = 1600
Max trailer plated MAM = 1360 kgs

FREELANDER 1 (2001 - 2005)
Unladen/kerb = 1500
GVW = 2040
Towing = 1800
Max trailer plated MAM = 1460 kgs


Any of the above vehicles with any of the trailers will leave at least 550 kgs for the horse/load
 
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