siennamum
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I think there is a general misconception that classical is different to good traditional. IMO they are one and the same thing.
Probably but not that I have seen in this life. What not even Carl Hester? - traditional dressage rider with a pretty much classical seat/manner
A rider can have a classical seat whether riding bareback or with jockey length stirrups, and there will be a drastic difference in the angle of the knee.
Yes I agree. So will there be in hip angle but a jockey only needs a very hort saddle. and?
A straight line would connect the points of gravity on the ear, point of shoulder, hip joint & ankle. These remain the same whether standing or riding, the only change being the bend in the knee and elbow.
Right.
IF you have an enormous bottom the issue will be whether you can sit on your seat bones with your thighs loose against the horse - unlikely if they have ther own centre of gravity.
So, it's not the length, its the width of said thigh? I don't understand that a big thigh has it's own centre of gravity. You need to expand on this one. joke
That is an unchangeable thing. I thought you said it was??Sitting on your seat bones should be a given.....?
What will change is where your stirrup bar & knee roll is in relation to your knee and heel. these are adjusted to standard saddle sizes.
Lets consider the traditional tree. I have watched these made in my uncles workshop and the stirrup bar is always on the head and point. Some dressage saddle have longer bits of metal to put the stirrups further back under the flap but this is a new thing. The flap can be made as wide or as long as you want for the rider but it is the TWIST that makes the difference from sitting on a cantle or not. I didn't invent the rules, saddle sizing has been determined in part by the rider's length of femur for a long time, your uncle can probably tell you why
If your saddle is too small for your length of leg it will push you back in the saddle. if it is too big you will be 'reaching' for the stirrups they will be set on too far forwards and they will unbalance you.
I still don't picture this. I would genuinely like to as perhaps we are speaking of the same thing, but I don't get why your leg length has anything to do with seat length. I haven't talked about seat length, just saddle size. Saddles are traditionally fitted to the riders thigh - not exclusively, there's lots more to it obv. but it is standard practice - really suprised people don't know this tbh
Probably but not that I have seen in this life. What not even Carl Hester? - traditional dressage rider with a pretty much classical seat/manner
A rider can have a classical seat whether riding bareback or with jockey length stirrups, and there will be a drastic difference in the angle of the knee.
Yes I agree. So will there be in hip angle but a jockey only needs a very hort saddle. and?
A straight line would connect the points of gravity on the ear, point of shoulder, hip joint & ankle. These remain the same whether standing or riding, the only change being the bend in the knee and elbow.
Right.
IF you have an enormous bottom the issue will be whether you can sit on your seat bones with your thighs loose against the horse - unlikely if they have ther own centre of gravity.
So, it's not the length, its the width of said thigh? I don't understand that a big thigh has it's own centre of gravity. You need to expand on this one. joke
That is an unchangeable thing. I thought you said it was??Sitting on your seat bones should be a given.....?
What will change is where your stirrup bar & knee roll is in relation to your knee and heel. these are adjusted to standard saddle sizes.
Lets consider the traditional tree. I have watched these made in my uncles workshop and the stirrup bar is always on the head and point. Some dressage saddle have longer bits of metal to put the stirrups further back under the flap but this is a new thing. The flap can be made as wide or as long as you want for the rider but it is the TWIST that makes the difference from sitting on a cantle or not. I didn't invent the rules, saddle sizing has been determined in part by the rider's length of femur for a long time, your uncle can probably tell you why
If your saddle is too small for your length of leg it will push you back in the saddle. if it is too big you will be 'reaching' for the stirrups they will be set on too far forwards and they will unbalance you.
I still don't picture this. I would genuinely like to as perhaps we are speaking of the same thing, but I don't get why your leg length has anything to do with seat length. I haven't talked about seat length, just saddle size. Saddles are traditionally fitted to the riders thigh - not exclusively, there's lots more to it obv. but it is standard practice - really suprised people don't know this tbh
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