What was Jamie Grays' line of business?

[dozzie]

Thank you for that insult Siennamum.

I havent actually resorted to any insults so I would prefer it if people didnt insult me.

I have spent so much time looking into this and other cases. There are huge issues IMO about legal and civil rights which were abused and they are issues of which everyone should be aware. Because if they are not addressed, then anyone could have their animals seized/PTS by an RSPCA inspector without any way of stopping them.

It is an offence to try to stop an RSPCA inspector destroying your pet.

They can do this without consulting your vet, who may be involved in treating the animal.

If you think that is right then that is your choice.

Personally I dont.

So it may well be that those horses were being treated by Jamie Gray. We dont actually know.

 

[jhoward]

PATTY i pmed you asking you to answer my questions seeing as you hadnt, so dont make it out that being nice to you.

you dont actully answer any questions though do you.

why would i be genuine to you when you have done nothing but spout out a load of garbage?

 

[jrp204]

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/docs/judgments_guidance/rspca-gray-others-witnesses.pdf

Don't know if this has been put on before.

 

[Taboo1968]

good god is this debate still going????

 

[jrp204]

So it seems, i haven't actually been following it up till this morning, so actually read through alot of it and then did a bit of googling, i'm not quite sure how anyone can defend any of the people at SF, but hey, i'm only saying that after reading the court stuff, so what do i know?

 

[competitiondiva]

[ QUOTE ]
Because if they are not addressed, then anyone could have their animals seized/PTS by an RSPCA inspector without any way of stopping them.

It is an offence to try to stop an RSPCA inspector destroying your pet.

They can do this without consulting your vet, who may be involved in treating the animal.



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Actually you are wrong regarding the euthanasia, of course you cannot stop the seisure if they have warrants or with warranted officers but you can appeal, regarding euthanasia the rspca would only PTS an animal such as in this case under veterinary recommendation, this I can state as fact. There are various cases where masses of animals have been seised (legally) and on being health checked by a VET quite often a euthanasia decision will be made immediately if their condition is that bad, others may be given a few more days for tests to come back etc but always in these cases under VET recommendation.

Dozzie the bay mare you state that the rspca shot without blood tests due to diahorea (sp?!!) was also the mare with the bad eye the review I have read said that both conditions lead to it's death.

 

[teddyt]

[ QUOTE ]


We all know you can't argue with fools like Patty and Dozzie. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.......

[/ QUOTE ]

So far i wouldnt say patty is beating anyone, quite the opposite. The idea of a good argument/debate/discussion is to get your point across and educate the other side about your way of thinking. Pattys argument has no credibility at all so far IMO. For example - stating JG worms all new arrivals on the lorry and he had vets treating his horses. Yet many apparently died of an undiagnosed worm infestation just like that. If thats the case the wormer was sh!t and so was his vet!

Pattys statements just dont add up. She (assuming patty is a woman) still comes on to defend the Grays and trys to go round in circles with a weak attempt at a game to wind people up. Patty certainly isnt helping JG, as she thinks she is, her evidence/statements just arent good enough. I think patty thinks she has good evidence and is making a good case in defence of JG but all she is actually doing is making herself look stupid and the Grays even more mentally weird than people think they are anyway.

If patty is the vet and now trainee lawyer that someone earlier suggested then she definately needs more training. Her knowledge of animal welfare and ability to state a case are as dire as the conditions the horses were in.

 

[gingermuffin]

More than ever I'm now convinced that Patty is connected with an anti RSPCA group such as SHG and she's using JG's plight in an attempt to discredit them.
I wonder if the family are getting a bit twitchy about Patty's campaign which has lead to suggestions of dark dealings.
Are they now living in fear of a dawn raid by the drugs squad?

 

[Taboo1968]

The suggestions of "dark dealings" has always been there since the start!!!

 

[Tea_Biscuit]

I'd begun to wonder the same thing myself after reading through the endless pages of the JG saga.
According the Patty the RSPCA was wrong in their prosecution of JG even though they (the RSPCA) acted within the law and were able to provide sufficient evidence in court to get a conviction. On the other hand, the RSPCA is wrong again for not pressing charges against the man who killed his dog despite the fact that they had no legal grounds to do so (sadly enough).
So yes, I do agree that there is an anti-RSPCA theme underlying her posts.

 

[competitiondiva]

Oh most definately it was Patty who started the post of the man who killed the dog in order to drum up more anti rspca support! There will always be those who disagree with the rspca but the fact is that they do act within the law despite what patty may say because if they didn't they would be the first to be strung up for any mistake, and any decent defense solicitor would be able to get the case thrown out of court for such acts.

 

[patty19]

[ QUOTE ]
PATTY i pmed you asking you to answer my questions seeing as you hadnt, so dont make it out that being nice to you.

you dont actully answer any questions though do you.


[/ QUOTE ]

Dont try to BS Jhoward.....I will C/P your PM to this thread if you wish?

No I did not answer your questions. You need to grow up and have some respect.

[ QUOTE ]
why would i be genuine to you when you have done nothing but spout out a load of garbage?

[/ QUOTE ]

Because being genuine comes naturally to those who are genuine people. I understand that the people here dont agree with me, and/or dont believe me but I believe most of them are genuine people. You on the other hand, are not genuine so therefore, you spout the garbage.

Like I said, you showed me your true colours last year after I spoke with you on the phone.

BTW, I'm not sure why you witheld the contents of that email from the forum - the email that was supposed to have come from Redwings.

 

[jhoward]

no the email came from the horse trust and i did not with hold the email, the person i emailed it to to get the pictures off had the full email and was told she was welcome to attch it.

anyway jsut to shut you up, seeing as your attempting to suggest something the content of the mail said.

..........................................................................................
Dear Supporter

You may recall the horrific incident at Spindles Farm in January last year where the RSPCA rescued 111 horses, ponies and donkeys.

Your generous donation contributed to the care of the horses brought to The Horse Trust for which we are very grateful. However the cost to the charity have been enormous and we have launched an appeal to raise £150,000 by September. Full details are attached.

If you are already a supporter of The Horse Trust you may have received this appeal by post in which case I apologise for this second communication.
To donate to the Spindles Farm Care Fund £150,000 Appeal please send your donation to:

The Horse Trust

Home of Rest for Horses

Speen

Princes Risborough

Bucks

HP27 0PP

Or donate on line www.horsetrust.org.uk

Our very grateful thanks for your continued support

Regards

The Horse Trust

"Welfare Through Knowledge"

This message is intended for the addressee only and the sender must be
informed by return if it has been incorrectly addressed. All attachments
have been virus scanned before dispatch, but the recipient must ensure that
they have sufficient checks in place, as The Horse Trust cannot
be held responsible for any virus transmitted in error.
The Horse Trust, Registered charity number 231748, Home of Rest for Horses, Speen, Princes Risborough, Bucks, HP27 0PP.
Telephone 01494 488 464, fax 01494 488 767
Web site : www.horsetrust.org.uk

 

[RantBucket]

I still think Patty sounds like that discredited expert witness Madeleine Forsyth acting for JG with an axe to grind! Who else would be so desperate!

 

[bexandspooky]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
*sighs* Patty, I shall ask my questions for the 3rd time - my post that was ignored in the other post is copied below in Purple writing.

If you want people to believe what you are saying, you are going to have to start answering some of this stuff

<font color="purple">Ok - I understand that you havent ever said all of the dead horses were dug up, but that wasn't actually the question I asked.

I shall break it down into a few more basic lines so that we are both clear what it is I am trying to establish

1 - What connection do you have with the greys?

2 - Why do you have such an interest in this case?

3 - For what purpose are you collating this information?

4 - Do you have evidence of the horses that were dug up?

5 - Why did the horses in the above photo's remain decomposing for such a long period of time (note - due to the level of decomposition, I am assuming the length of time was more than say 'a couple of weeks' which would more than compensate for any christmas period delays)

As you say that you have answered these things before and they were lost, perhaps you wouldn't mind answering them again?!

Many thanks and look forward to your clarification!
</font>

Your ignoring of questions like this make you difficult to believe.

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OMG, I cant believe I am being asked these exact same questions. LOOK for them or ask someone else who I have replied to concerning these questions.

I'm starting to think people are just trying to wind me up by repeating the same old questions.

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*Applauds Patty on her blatant sidestepping of simple questions*

Well done Patty. I can believe that I am asking the same questions as you said yourself in the other thread that you couldn't find where you had answered the questions - it seems they had magically dissapeared - perhaps adding to the scandal?! I have asked politely as least once if you would mind just giving me a few quick lines answering these again so that we can clear this part up and put it to bed.

As for being on the wind up by asking the same questions - could it be possible that it is you who is on the wind up by never actually answering them?!

 

[RantBucket]

It’s gone very quiet, you can cut the tension with a knife, I wonder how Patty will get out of answering bexandspooky’s questions, the night is still young and the gauntlet has been thrown!

 

[teddyt]

I expect she will answer with another question. So far i am yet to read patty answering a question with an appropriate, factual answer

 

[bexandspooky]

I do hope I am not coming across as pushy!!

 

[teddyt]

I would say persistant, not pushy

 

[RantBucket]

No not at all, rest assured I think you are being entirely reasonable and patient under the circumstances bexandspooky, if I was you I think I would be reaching for the Solpadeine Plus!

 

[bexandspooky]

Well, I thought that as Patty has so much experience of the court room, a good persistant interrogation may help her feel at ease!

 

[patty19]

[ QUOTE ]
no the email came from the horse trust and i did not with hold the email, the person i emailed it to to get the pictures off had the full email and was told she was welcome to attch it.

anyway jsut to shut you up, seeing as your attempting to suggest something the content of the mail said.

..........................................................................................
Dear Supporter

You may recall the horrific incident at Spindles Farm in January last year where the RSPCA rescued 111 horses, ponies and donkeys.

Your generous donation contributed to the care of the horses brought to The Horse Trust for which we are very grateful. However the cost to the charity have been enormous and we have launched an appeal to raise £150,000 by September. Full details are attached.

If you are already a supporter of The Horse Trust you may have received this appeal by post in which case I apologise for this second communication.
To donate to the Spindles Farm Care Fund £150,000 Appeal please send your donation to:

The Horse Trust

Home of Rest for Horses

Speen

Princes Risborough

Bucks

HP27 0PP

Or donate on line www.horsetrust.org.uk

Our very grateful thanks for your continued support

Regards

The Horse Trust

"Welfare Through Knowledge"

This message is intended for the addressee only and the sender must be
informed by return if it has been incorrectly addressed. All attachments
have been virus scanned before dispatch, but the recipient must ensure that
they have sufficient checks in place, as The Horse Trust cannot
be held responsible for any virus transmitted in error.
The Horse Trust, Registered charity number 231748, Home of Rest for Horses, Speen, Princes Risborough, Bucks, HP27 0PP.
Telephone 01494 488 464, fax 01494 488 767
Web site : www.horsetrust.org.uk

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So they sent you this email with photos of those 2 animals (16 &amp; 17) attached after you made enquiries concerning the photos I posted on Photobucket?

Jhoward - YOUR thread.

 

[patty19]

[ QUOTE ]
I still think Patty sounds like that discredited expert witness Madeleine Forsyth acting for JG with an axe to grind! Who else would be so desperate!

[/ QUOTE ]


Oh please do get real!!

 

[teddyt]

Who are you then?

 

[jhoward]

no you plank, it had 2 attachements! i can see that your trying to accuse me of something here, well really dont bother.

as i offered to send the email to anyone that could down load and post the attachements with many more pictures of the horses. theres clearly nothing amiss. so do me a favour and dont go down that route. i CAN PROVE what im saying you bloody well cant can you? huh.. no. so there! *sticks tounge out*

 

[jhoward]

sorry teddyt just to make it clear my reply was to patty not you.

 

[patty19]

QR

I have no problem what so ever answering any questions but you are all so up yourselves and think it's your God given right to put me down, be rude, and have dreadful attitudes. And I dont appreciate answering the same questions over and over again.

Now I see you are even starting on Dozzie who does not claim to know anything about the JG case.

And you all think you are all so brilliantly witty and sarcastic. I've heard better coming from the disney channel.

Have some respect and I too will show you respect.

 

[patty19]

[ QUOTE ]
Who are you then?

[/ QUOTE ]

Certainly not a vet - I bloody wish.

 

[patty19]

[ QUOTE ]
no you plank, it had 2 attachements! i can see that your trying to accuse me of something here, well really dont bother.

as i offered to send the email to anyone that could down load and post the attachements with many more pictures of the horses. theres clearly nothing amiss. so do me a favour and dont go down that route. i CAN PROVE what im saying you bloody well cant can you? huh.. no. so there! *sticks tounge out*

[/ QUOTE ]

So if I give you my email address will you send it to me?

 

[teddyt]

Now patty, i started off with respect for you. Unfortunately i quickly lost it due to the fact you dont answer questions with a straight reply, either by ignoring them or replying with another question. If you answered a question appropriately it wouldnt get asked again, would it?
Many of your 'facts' also dont add up. If you are to gain respect you need to earn it. Horse welfare means alot to me, hence i have been drawn into this to try and gain an understanding of the horror of SF. As yet you have been unable to convince me that JG is innocent. Indeed i am more and more disgusted the more i learn.