inandout
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No it doesnt matter what breed was banned deaths go up in association anyway. Either from the breed as they end up in hands of bad owners or from the replacement breed.
XL Bullies not banned in Scotland
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Um...I know maths isn't my strong point but deaths caused by dogs in the UK were pretty static until last year and this year when they shot into double figures.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Have you understood ANYTHING that anyone has explained to you?
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Also, insinuating that most XL bully breeders/owners will wilfully break the law by 'carrying on regardless' isn't **really** a good point to be making/feeds into the perception/narrative that they're only attractive to/being promoted by a certain element of society.
AmyMay
Situation normal
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MurphysMinder
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I suspect responsible breeders wouldn't want to sell to many of the owners I have seen posturing with their XL bullies.
EstherYoung
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Re Dogs being PTS - I think the main issue is that a) quite a few landlords have said they don't want the dogs in their properties, leading to a lot of them being handed over to rescues and b) as of today, rescues in England can't re-home them at all as per the regs. So any left in English rescues or handed over to English rescues from today will either have to be kept by the rescue for the rest of their life (with the additional insurance etc required by the regs) or they will need to PTS.
I guess there are worse things than being PTS....
I guess there are worse things than being PTS....
Clodagh
Well-Known Member
I was coming on to say that. I do feel enormously sorry for the rescuers and the vets that will have to deal with this. Mental health in the veterinary industry is a huge problem already, I wonder how many dogs will actually be pts over the next month.
I’m also not sure why if you live in a flat you want a large powerful dog bred to successfully fight and attack? But that’s another story. And I know it’s not only flats that people rent.
inandout
Well-Known Member
Dpg numbers also shot up in the past few years not just xls but all breeds.
if people comply with the law or not its up to them, histpry shows significant law changes when people dont comply. The goverment seem to have ignored a huge amount of research and public feeling on this (petitions with 20 times in favpur of not banning them for exampe) so good luck to them trying to enforce it lol.
Many vet groups are now stating they wont pts healthy xls as is there legal right.
if people comply with the law or not its up to them, histpry shows significant law changes when people dont comply. The goverment seem to have ignored a huge amount of research and public feeling on this (petitions with 20 times in favpur of not banning them for exampe) so good luck to them trying to enforce it lol.
Many vet groups are now stating they wont pts healthy xls as is there legal right.
AmyMay
Situation normal
What research have the government ignored? I’m genuinely interested to know.
As for the vets. Yes a hideous position for them to be in I agree.
Jenko109
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I have not heard this. Please can you advise where you have got this information and the particular vet groups involved?
AmyMay
Situation normal
I wonder if there are any vets on here who would like to comment? Although I appreciate the sensitivity of the issue, and that they not want to.
JBM
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*I am not speaking for my cousin only assuming*
My cousin is a veterinary nurse and she often talks to me about how hard it can be seeing animals in pain, not being able to help or having to put an animal down.
I don’t think she could watch a healthy animal be put down as she struggles a lot on the days where dogs in pain have to be put down.
My heart goes out to all in the veterinary industry they have a very difficult job and I couldn’t do it
My cousin is a veterinary nurse and she often talks to me about how hard it can be seeing animals in pain, not being able to help or having to put an animal down.
I don’t think she could watch a healthy animal be put down as she struggles a lot on the days where dogs in pain have to be put down.
My heart goes out to all in the veterinary industry they have a very difficult job and I couldn’t do it
inandout
Well-Known Member
The 2018 efra recomendations on updating the dda.
The dog control coalations up to date recomendations based on there research
If u go on the various wefare groups on fb there vets being listed as not pts xls. Many vets r aware that it is bad publicity even if they arnt bothered but the majority dont want to anyway. This was discussed at length in the recent efra meeting with bva stating that up to 90% of vets had indicated they wud refuse (indivadual vets as opposed to groups)
The dog control coalations up to date recomendations based on there research
If u go on the various wefare groups on fb there vets being listed as not pts xls. Many vets r aware that it is bad publicity even if they arnt bothered but the majority dont want to anyway. This was discussed at length in the recent efra meeting with bva stating that up to 90% of vets had indicated they wud refuse (indivadual vets as opposed to groups)
AmyMay
Situation normal
Is this in response to my research question?
The 2018 recommendations were prior to the widespread introduction of the XL Bully.
CrunchieBoi
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Of course there's a gofundme per TP's screenshot above.
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Sammy is currently driving Day and Night from the Black Country to Scotland, each time taking a group of XL bullies with him and finding them new homes in Scotland.
About 30 dogs so far he's saved and he’s still going!
Sammy will continue to do this for as long as he can. Please everyone let’s support him and lets help save more XL Bullies
'
Donate to Help Sammy Wilkinson save more animals in need", organized by Lisa Lisa
"Help Sammie and his team continue saving animals in need" Sammie and hi… Lisa Lisa needs your support for Help Sammy Wilkinson save more animals in need"www.gofundme.com
Sammy can go and sit on a traffic cone.
skinnydipper
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Speaking of EFRA.
14 December 2023 (so this is following the evidence session)
Rt Hon Sir Robert Goodwill MP, Chair, Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee
"My Committee shares the Government’s concerns about the rise in incidents and fatalities caused by XL Bully dogs. Public safety and the safety of other animals is paramount. As such, we want to place on record our support for the Government’s decision to list XL Bullies under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. It is a matter of record that this Committee has previously raised concerns about the nature and operation of that Act. While it is imperfect, we feel the circumstances presented by the proliferation of XL Bully attacks and fatalities make its use necessary as the most effective tool available to the Government."
14 December 2023 (so this is following the evidence session)
Rt Hon Sir Robert Goodwill MP, Chair, Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee
"My Committee shares the Government’s concerns about the rise in incidents and fatalities caused by XL Bully dogs. Public safety and the safety of other animals is paramount. As such, we want to place on record our support for the Government’s decision to list XL Bullies under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. It is a matter of record that this Committee has previously raised concerns about the nature and operation of that Act. While it is imperfect, we feel the circumstances presented by the proliferation of XL Bully attacks and fatalities make its use necessary as the most effective tool available to the Government."
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Cortez
Tough but Fair
Perhaps she is in the wrong industry for her. Putting animals down is unfortunately part and parcel of veterinary work and nobody enjoys that. One of my vet friends works mainly with racing greyhounds and putting down the ones that don’t make the grade. As she says, they are the lucky ones and she’d rather do that than have them suffer the DIY methods that some people resort to.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Why would one struggle with a dog which is in pain, being PTS?
JBM, will you be opening your home to any of these dogs?
JBM, will you be opening your home to any of these dogs?
JBM
Well-Known Member
You’ve just said nobody enjoys that.
I think it’s rude to say she shouldn’t be in that industry just because she also doesn’t enjoy it?
JBM
Well-Known Member
I don’t think anyone enjoys watching an animal die no matter the circumstances
Yes I am applying to rescues in ireland which you already know
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I know no one 'enjoys' it but putting a suffering animal down is the last and most dignified thing we can do for them.
We can't do it for humans, who just have to struggle on in horrendous pain.
JBM
Well-Known Member
I understand that but I think everyone would be a bit weirded out if I said she enjoyed pts animals.
It’s needed but it doesn’t pull on the heart any less.
I think you’ve misunderstood my point in agreeing that vets have a difficult job
MurphysMinder
Well-Known Member
I understand that practices in areas where they are likely to pts large numbers are trying to draw up plans where the sad task is shared between all vets, and they are of course also going to be offering extra support to their vets. Sadly vets will no doubt get a lot of abuse for something they have no choice about.
MurphysMinder
Well-Known Member
On the other side of the vets having to pts healthy dogs, I have just seen a piece from a rescue . They refer to an XL bully they have in their kennels for which they have applied for exemption . The quote from a member of staff " That means a life in kennels which he is not going to be happy about but at least he's alive ".
That poor dog.
That poor dog.
Clodagh
Well-Known Member
You can’t, after today? Or maybe you can over there?
JBM
Well-Known Member
Yes no ban on them in Scotland, Ireland or Northern Ireland so can be rehomed/fostered
AmyMay
Situation normal
Good luck. Let us know how you get on.
Clodagh
Well-Known Member
I hadn’t thought that you were looking for a bullie. I don’t think they’d be a breed BRX rescue get involved with, although they do some collie x and others.
JBM
Well-Known Member
Honestly I’m happy to foster any dog they’ll let me
I’ve been rejected by 4 so far due to my unneutered boys so just have to keep asking!