Another fatal dog attack

[scruffyponies]

What breed do you think these irresponsible owners had before they had XL types?

Because it would not have been an Italian Greyhound now would it

If you're old enough, you'll remember rough types having GSD's in the '70s, then Rottweilers, Staffies, Pit Bulls, now XL's.
There are (legal) dogs out there that are more prone to agression than any of those, and I dread the rise of the untrained, frustrated, fed on blue smarties and under-exercised Mallinois.

 

[CorvusCorax]

We've had this discussion ad nauseum on another thread.

What has been worried about, re Malinois, has not come to pass in any great number, certainly not compared to the XL bully.
This is in part, because, like some of the other breeds you mention, they have other uses. You can rehome a spicy Mali (or any of the German or low countries working breeds) to a police, sports or security home where it can be better entertained or employed.
A genetic mish-mash of nothing in particular that has no great talent or strong points apart from the way they look, not so much. There's no other avenue for them. Serious dog trainers aren't interested in them. No one has taken one and done anything spectacular with it to prove how versatile they are.
Staffs and pits can turn their paws to a few things.
Breeding for looks and nothing else behind it is how we got here.

 

[skinnydipper]

I saw a video in the last couple of days, wished I'd saved it, of some guys in the US I think. They were standing between 2 houses. One was holding what could have been an Xl, another was waving a bite sleeve, a 3rd was filming. The bloke holding the dog released it, it ran past the chap with the bite sleeve and attacked the one who was filming.

 

[marmalade76]

I suspect that most of them genetically are, tbh. Were there any lab x staffs before pits were banned?

Indeed, AKA Irish Staffs, I believe.

 

[CorvusCorax]

I saw a video in the last couple of days, wished I'd saved it, of some guys in the US I think. They were standing between 2 houses. One was holding what could have been an Xl, another was waving a bite sleeve, a 3rd was filming. The bloke holding the dog released it, it ran past the chap with the bite sleeve and attacked the one who was filming.

There's an old one of a Caucasian which comes right over the sleeve and bites a guy on the chest. But if they knew what they were looking at and listening to the barking, they'd know that was going to happen.

Crap handling, crap helper work, men (it's always men!) who haven't a clue what they are doing, making 'content' for clicks and getting bit. Le sigh.

 

[CorvusCorax]

A post from an army dog trainer, sports trainer, past Schutzhund world championship winner, judge and current breeder and competitor.
What he doesn't know about the subject of dog training, breeding, genetics, aggression and bites could probably be written on a postage stamp.

Screenshots are wrong way round

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

We've had this discussion ad nauseum on another thread.

What has been worried about, re Malinois, has not come to pass in any great number, certainly not compared to the XL bully.
This is in part, because, like some of the other breeds you mention, they have other uses. You can rehome a spicy Mali (or any of the German or low countries working breeds) to a police, sports or security home where it can be better entertained or employed.
A genetic mish-mash of nothing in particular that has no great talent or strong points apart from the way they look, not so much. There's no other avenue for them. Serious dog trainers aren't interested in them. No one has taken one and done anything spectacular with it to prove how versatile they are.
Staffs and pits can turn their paws to a few things.
Breeding for looks and nothing else behind it is how we got here.

When we first had Ivy (just over 2 years) I remember Mali's were my biggest worry at the time but in reality we've encountered very few of them, and the literal handful (if that) we have seen I have instantly been reassured by seeing them with owners who clearly know what they are doing. The dogs have had absolute focus on the owners who you could see were carrying toys ready to reward and engage with their dog. Actually quite amazing to see.

 

[CorvusCorax]

That's it, for all their faults, they're trainable. I half joke, but if they didn't have a toy, they'd have their mouths around something else (my elderly not-Belgian grabbed a full 2l bottle of water off the side this morning when he couldn't find his ball) but it's able to be channelled.

ETA he is actually Belgian. But German

 

[Clodagh]

It just seems totally incomprehensible to me that people breed, generation after generation of dog to do nothing except be big, powerful and intimidating, with no thought to its behavioural genetics and then wonder why they end up being big, powerful and intimidating. And psychotic.
People constantly impress.

 

[Kunoichi73]

The first time ever I've really been scared of a dog approaching me happened the other day. I was walking home from work, coming the other way was a woman with what looked like an XL bully type thing. It was on a long lead, no muzzle, dragging her across the road, it just looked at me and that was enough. It's the stare they have. If it had decided to have a go at me, she'd have stood no chance.

I love dogs, there have been occasions when I've been a bit apprehensive of passing certain ones but this was on a whole other level of apprehension.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

One of my favorite breeds is the Malinois. I do not have enough employment for one and they really take "life is ball, ball is life" to another level. I used to dogsit a Mali Pitt mix, and honestly, I loved her. Her drive, focus, speed, intelligence, and athleticism was amazing. So trainable, and just good drive. A good snuggler too.

I would never recommend breeding such a mix, but what a dog. She was 110% definitely a "one off" in my mind. That's not a cross I'd support or perpetuate.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I just don't see a XLB having the same focus and connection to their handler that a Malinois would. As a side note.

 

[ycbm]

I saw two bully type today on extending fluorescent leads. No muzzles. The owners saw me sizing up whether they were 19.5 inches at the shoulder or 20.5 and immediately reeled them in to a metre lead.

I think they probably just about qualified but didn't want a challenge. I wasn't going to, I just wanted them under control not 4 metres away from them as I passed.

If that's a reaction to the legislation, I was pleased with it.
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[misst]

There is a lovely man round here who walks a Mali. I know what it is because I asked him one day. She is a lovely dog. Totally focused on him. Always on a short lead which is loose and relaxed. I asked what she was and we chatted. She was not interested in me one way or another. He obviously adored her. I asked if she always had to be on lead and he smiled and said yes. He said she was his best ever dog but she needed work and was really a one person dog. I see him often and the dog is always the same. Totally calm, focused on him and ignores everything and everyone else.

In contrast there is an idiot with a "wolf dog" who does walk it on lead after lots of complaints locally. The dog still managed to lunge and nip a retriever that was literally passing it (also on lead). The retriever is elderly and very calm and not in your face at all. I cannot abide the man who walks the dog or the dog itself. As a puppy it was out of control and as a 3 or 4 year old unpleasant. He avoids the area whre I walk now but I see him in the next village with it on an extending lead. I always give it a wide berth. He looks as if he is trying to look "hard" himself but he just looks like a middle aged twit.

 

[conniegirl]

There is a lovely man round here who walks a Mali. I know what it is because I asked him one day. She is a lovely dog. Totally focused on him. Always on a short lead which is loose and relaxed. I asked what she was and we chatted. She was not interested in me one way or another. He obviously adored her. I asked if she always had to be on lead and he smiled and said yes. He said she was his best ever dog but she needed work and was really a one person dog. I see him often and the dog is always the same. Totally calm, focused on him and ignores everything and everyone else.

In contrast there is an idiot with a "wolf dog" who does walk it on lead after lots of complaints locally. The dog still managed to lunge and nip a retriever that was literally passing it (also on lead). The retriever is elderly and very calm and not in your face at all. I cannot abide the man who walks the dog or the dog itself. As a puppy it was out of control and as a 3 or 4 year old unpleasant. He avoids the area whre I walk now but I see him in the next village with it on an extending lead. I always give it a wide berth. He looks as if he is trying to look "hard" himself but he just looks like a middle aged twit.

Id report the wolf dog. They need a DWA license to own one

 

[misst]

Id report the wolf dog. They need a DWA license to own one

Oh I did not know that!
Can I ask what a DWA licence is? I could phone the dog warden or the police next time I see it.

 

[stormox]

There's a wolf-dog in my village - the owner warns people to keep away as 'he's unpredictable'..... to be fair, it is always on a short lead.

 

[MurphysMinder]

Oh I did not know that!
Can I ask what a DWA licence is? I could phone the dog warden or the police next time I see it.

Dangerous Wild Animal licence

 

[Snowfilly]

Oh I did not know that!
Can I ask what a DWA licence is? I could phone the dog warden or the police next time I see it.

Only applies if the dog has actual wolf blood. Most ‘wolf dogs’ are mixtures of husky / Eskimo / malamute type lines and are just bred for a wolffish appearance. No paperwork required.

 

[misst]

Wolf dog man was always telling people that it was from czech republic but I don't know what difference that makes! He was full of sh1t about the dog when it was a pup. He stopped trying to interact with people as it got older as no one liked the dog. He now walks elsewhere and I see him in the next village which I assume is where he lives. It has blue eyes like a sort of husky type but then my daughter in laws Australian Shepherd has blue eyes!

 

[Smitty]

XL Bully attack could be Scotland's last as two pensioners mauled

Two Scottish pensioners who were mauled by an American XL Bully and both hospitalised had been visiting the house of a relative to check on the animal when it escaped a cage and attacked them.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I don't know why people go into a house knowing that these dogs are living there.

 

[splashgirl45]

Wonder how long the owners had owned the dog. If one of my friends had one of these dogs I’m afraid I wouldn’t agree to check on it. Too much risk for an older person

 

[I'm Dun]

Wonder how long the owners had owned the dog. If one of my friends had one of these dogs I’m afraid I wouldn’t agree to check on it. Too much risk for an older person

for ANY person!

 

[stormox]

Sounds like the unfortunate creature was being kept in a cage, enough to send any dog stir crazy.....

 

[Clodagh]

Sounds like the unfortunate creature was being kept in a cage, enough to send any dog stir crazy.....

I do think the owners are the issue, but sadly it’s like the difference between owning a shotgun (a normal dog) and an assault rifle.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Being very honest here and probably influenced by tales from my OH, but I honestly think that people who buy massive intimidating dogs (mostly xls) do it purely to look 'hard' and are therefore a bit stupid. I see them in my area-probably what some people might call chav central-and possibly form an entirely incorrect idea. I very deliberately haven't been to the local field/mini woods because I'd quite likely encounter an xl or maybe the pair of greyhounds who go crazy (fortunately always on leads) when they see other dogs.

 

[splashgirl45]

Being very honest here and probably influenced by tales from my OH, but I honestly think that people who buy massive intimidating dogs (mostly xls) do it purely to look 'hard' and are therefore a bit stupid. I see them in my area-probably what some people might call chav central-and possibly form an entirely incorrect idea. I very deliberately haven't been to the local field/mini woods because I'd quite likely encounter an xl or maybe the pair of greyhounds who go crazy (fortunately always on leads) when they see other dogs.

They may well be being owned because they look hard but they are being marketed as cuddly family dogs as well and some of the terrible deaths we have seen do seem to be the ones owned by ordinary families with kids, although I don’t think banning breeds is a good idea, I think by banning these dogs it will stop them being bought by clueless people and should prevent fatalities. The current law regarding dangerous dogs needs to be enforced and if a dog attacks and kills another dog there should be a way to ensure that the dog is muzzled in public just in case it does the same again or tries to bite a human

 

[Poing]

Just posted by Police Scotland on Facebook.

 

[sarah.oxford]

That sounds absolutely terrifying

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

I work in that town. I have run round past where that attack took place on my lunchbreak, it’s a good long hill to get the legs going.

I’m sure the children will be talking about it tomorrow.