Another fatal dog attack

[CanteringCarrot]

I'm not sure about that. I watched another one of reasons to get an XL bully and one reason was that it was an extra large pitbull. The point I was making was letting these large bull breeds loose with kids.

Ugh, that guy bothers me!

Edited to add: I know he does the why you shouldn't own videos too, but there's been a few things they have bothered me in videos with his Cane Corso.

 

[ycbm]

Another killed yesterday evening, reported XL bully, in Manchester

Dad-of-five mauled to death by 'out of control dog'.

Family pay tribute to 'well loved' man mauled to death by 'out of control' dog

Jonathan Hogg died after being attacked by an "out of control" dog in Leigh, Greater Manchester.

www.upday.com

 

[CanteringCarrot]

If anyone ever wants to see some good bite work (IMO), training, and nice examples of a breed that can be considered dangerous, check out Modern Malinois/Matt Folsom on Instagram or YouTube.

 

[asmp]

this article was in the Telegraph yesterday. My sister owns chihuahuas! (Not my thing though). I sent it to her but I don’t think she was impressed

 

[Goldenstar]

It’s the instinct to attack and hold that makes these bully breeds so dangerous .
Its like a nightmare , that will end with government legislating and the lives of dogs of the sensible being curtailed while the feckless sale on regardless .
I kind of understand the sort of numb brainlessness of the young man with the tough dog I just can’t get the idiocy of parents buying one of these dogs as an adult from a advert .

 

[ycbm]

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this article was in the Telegraph yesterday. My sister owns chihuahuas! (Not my thing though). I sent it to her but I don’t think she was impressed

But who cares that much if a chihuahua is aggressive? An XL bully can kill easily, as they are now showing with every passing month. A chihuahua could give you a nasty nip before it's picked up and taken away.

 

[Goldenstar]

Anyone with a baby or small child should care that a chihuahua can be aggressive these small breeds many of which have a history of being used for vermin control can be very dangerous for child .

 

[Clodagh]

Anyone with a baby or small child should care that a chihuahua can be aggressive these small breeds many of which have a history of being used for vermin control can be very dangerous for child .

Fair point, but they aren’t going to be killing people on the street.

 

[Goldenstar]

Of course not and I personally have no idea why anyone but only a bone head wants one these bully type dogs the only xl american bully I have met was enough for me it’s the most dangerous dog I have ever set eyes on and it was in a good home .
The cities seem to be increasingly dangerous because of these dogs .

 

[Arzada]

Fair point, but they aren’t going to be killing people on the street.

A chihuahua could give you a nasty nip before it's picked up and taken away.

I think calling a bite a nip is diminishing it and the effect it can have eg causing fear of dogs. Any nip, bite whatever it is called can cause life changing injury to a child especially their face. Living with facial disfigurement is incredibly hard.

 

[splashgirl45]

On breakfast they were discussing these attacks and spoke to the chairman of dog behaviourists and he basically said it’s a certain element of people who own and breed these types of dogs , I think we all know this but what is the answer? Licensing is one answer if you want to own this type of breed that could kill an adult , so normal people would get a license but the element of society who have these dogs specifically as weapons will not license.. maybe there needs to be some rules on backyard breeders of all breeds of dog because it’s not only the bull
Breeds that are aggressive, I’ve seen quite a few poodle crosses in rescues that say they are food aggressive and don’t get on with other dogs…

 

[splashgirl45]

I'm not sure about that. I watched another one of reasons to get an XL bully and one reason was that it was an extra large pitbull. The point I was making was letting these large bull breeds loose with kids.

I know but NO dog should be allowed to interact like that with a baby or young children. I don’t care how trustworthy a dog is they should not have the opportunity to bite. I am 99% sure that none of the dogs I have ever owned (lurchers, collies, terriers, deerhound) would bite a child but they have never been allowed to get too close especially to a baby.. I would rather be too cautious

 

[Goldenstar]

A bite is a bite I can’t stand this view that small dogs get a by .
Even a small dog bite to the base of thumb could be life changing and prevent many people doing the job they do .
Killing a baby is well within the ability of the smallest dogs if things go badly wrong .
In defence of little dogs I think very often no consideration is given to the fact the world can be very scary for a tiny little dog person and that leads to barking neurotic nightmares they can be .

 

[Goldenstar]

I know but NO dog should be allowed to interact like that with a baby or young children. I don’t care how trustworthy a dog is they should not have the opportunity to bite. I am 99% sure that none of the dogs I have ever owned (lurchers, collies, terriers, deerhound) would bite a child but they have never been allowed to get too close especially to a baby.. I would rather be too cautious

I am very cautious with my dogs and children I make sure they learn what children are but I love my dogs and will do anything to prevent them getting into trouble .
You get parents in the village who will say to you it’s ok she loves animals as their toddler on holiday runs up to you I want to scream you dumass you have no idea how socialised these dogs are how I well I have trained them , you are leaving your child’s safety in the hands of a strangers training skills .

 

[cauda equina]

And if something goes wrong it is deemed to be the dog's fault

 

[Tiddlypom]

I am very cautious with my dogs and children I make sure they learn what children are but I love my dogs and will do anything to prevent them getting into trouble .
You get parents in the village who will say to you it’s ok she loves animals as their toddler on holiday runs up to you I want to scream you dumass you have no idea how socialised these dogs are how I well I have trained them , you are leaving your child’s safety in the hands of a strangers training skills .

Yes, we have frequently had toddlers running up uninvited to our various JRTs hoping to wrap themselves over the dog and give them a big hug . I'm now very small child aware and step in to stop this before it happens, it's not fair on any dog to be pinned to the ground by a squawking child.

As it happens, both current and previous JRTs love small children (possibility of food ), but the parents and child have no way of knowing that.

Fatal JRT attacks on small resident babies, probably due to jealousy, are a thing, there's been a few.

 

[ycbm]

Anyone with a baby or small child should care that a chihuahua can be aggressive these small breeds many of which have a history of being used for vermin control can be very dangerous for child .

Any dog can be dangerous to a child, so chihuahuas are no different from any other dog in terms of how interaction with a child should be managed. But an xl bully can be life threatening to anyone, which is why it makes little sense rank dogs by their aggression without reference to their ability to kill.

 

[millikins]

I said this earlier or on another thread, "normal" dogs, even badly trained, aggressive ones, bite extremities, only faces/heads where small children are that height. These recent attacks seem to be the dog going for the throat as its first option, the killer instinct has been bred out of the breeds we have become familiar with but appears fully intact in these pit bulls and XL bullies.

 

[some show]

Also they're bred for bringing large prey to the ground by not letting go once they've got hold of you, and once you're on the ground it's over, basically. I'm guessing the best thing to do would be to curl into a ball over your knees with your arms over your head to keep your throat out of harm's way, but I'm sure in the heat of the moment you just do whatever your instinct tells you - freeze or fight or try to defend yourself.

 

[skinnydipper]

A woman has been arrested and 15 dogs have been seized after a man was killed in a dog attack.​

Police said the woman, aged 22, had been arrested on suspicion of money laundering and has since been bailed.

They added that "items" with a total value of £37,500, believed to be the result of criminal proceeds, had been seized.

Leigh dog attack: Woman held and 15 dogs seized after death

It follows the death of a 37-year-old man who was attacked by a dog in Greater Manchester.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SilverLinings]

A woman has been arrested and 15 dogs have been seized after a man was killed in a dog attack.​

Police said the woman, aged 22, had been arrested on suspicion of money laundering and has since been bailed.

They added that "items" with a total value of £37,500, believed to be the result of criminal proceeds, had been seized.

Leigh dog attack: Woman held and 15 dogs seized after death

It follows the death of a 37-year-old man who was attacked by a dog in Greater Manchester.

www.bbc.co.uk

I really hope they don't return the seized dogs to her, and as they are thought to be the same breed and possibly related (there were puppies so presumably she was breeding them) to the dog that killed the man I'm not sure how you could safely re-home any of the adult dogs for a start.

 

[Clodagh]

I know we shouldn’t assume. But I’m assuming like mad that she’s a delightful human being.

 

[SilverLinings]

I know we shouldn’t assume. But I’m assuming like mad that she’s a delightful human being.

And I'm assuming that you're being sarcastic?

 

[Titchy Pony]

Fascinating watching the strength of the dog and how it reacts. Not sure what happens if a friend or relative raises their hand in play with the child. So little margin for error. (this is labelled as giant pit bull but the power is the same)

If a friend or relative raises their hand in play with the child, you probably end up with a trip to the hospital at best, a dead playmate at worse. I've seen some dogs become very upset at even play fighting or any noisy game of tag between family or friends and either get very distressed or bite the person they have the lowest attachment to. I don't think it's a good idea to rely on your dog to protect your child. There are so many ways it could go wrong.

 

[SilverLinings]

If a friend or relative raises their hand in play with the child, you probably end up with a trip to the hospital at best, a dead playmate at worse. I've seen some dogs become very upset at even play fighting or any noisy game of tag between family or friends and either get very distressed or bite the person they have the lowest attachment to. I don't think it's a good idea to rely on your dog to protect your child. There are so many ways it could go wrong.

Absolutely @Titchy Pony. I think it's ridiculous that some people think it a good idea to train their dog to become their child's protector, especially as they often seem to be the sort of people who don't understand a lot about dog training and/or use a lot of -ve reinforcement. This would only 'work' if you don't mind the risk of the dog occassionally making mistakes and injuring (or killing) someone who meant no harm. It is worse with children than adults as kids often scream or yell in play, and not because they are actually being threatened or attacked- how is the dog expected to know the difference?

 

[SadKen]

I really hope they don't return the seized dogs to her, and as they are thought to be the same breed and possibly related (there were puppies so presumably she was breeding them) to the dog that killed the man I'm not sure how you could safely re-home any of the adult dogs for a start.

they will try, I’m sure. Cries of ‘deed not breed’, which I get. But what if ‘breed’ as in this specific breeding of this type of dog as really is a problem?

What about the puppies? Would I have a puppy in my life that’s related to an animal that killed someone where the breeding is questionable at best?

No easy answers thanks to those bad people that keep doing this with no penalties at all.

 

[skinnydipper]

This would only 'work' if you don't mind the risk of the dog occassionally making mistakes and injuring (or killing) someone who meant no harm. It is worse with children than adults as kids often scream or yell in play, and not because they are actually being threatened or attacked- how is the dog expected to know the difference?

Jonathan Hogg, killed last week, was playfighting with the dog when it got out of hand.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

Jonathan Hogg, killed last week, was playfighting with the dog when it got out of hand.

You would have thought he would have had more sense. You don't wrestle with an animal that probably weighs more than you do and is capable of killing you.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Both parents of the 3 month old baby who was killed by a husky at a country park car park in March '22 have now pleaded guilty to being responsible for an out of control dog. The dog was one of 19 sledging dogs they had with them at the time, at 11 pm at night.

Kyra King: Father admits losing control of dog that killed baby https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-65778360

 

[marmalade76]

What a strange situation, out late at night with 19 dogs and a tiny baby? Nowt as strange as folk. Hope they're banned from keeping animals.