Another fatal dog attack

[ycbm]

What a strange situation, out late at night with 19 dogs and a tiny baby? Nowt as strange as folk. Hope they're banned from keeping animals.

Training for competitive sledging at the only time of day it's safe to do so in a busy country park. The foolishness was in taking the baby.
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[CorvusCorax]

Agreed, if I was running 19 dogs I would do it an an unsocial hour. I'm sure no one feels worse than they do about it.

 

[marmalade76]

Agreed, if I was running 19 dogs I would do it an an unsocial hour. I'm sure no one feels worse than they do about it.

Hmm, he's only just pleaded guilty.

 

[ester]

iirc the original charge was only against her (checked yes, wonder why the hearings were so far apart)

 

[blackcob]

Completely normal time to be training sled dogs, forestry permits are often for restricted hours and for most of the year you need the cooler temps also.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Doing what your lawyer advises doesn't mean you don't care that your baby has died in an accident.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Like many pet dog owners, I was unaware (as in I've never given it any thought) as to what time of day you'd be training your dog sledge team, so thanks for the clarifications.

As an amateur, I did think what the feck would anyone be doing out with 19 dogs at 11 pm in early March.

 

[Jenko109]

My initial thought was that they were out so late because the dogs are perhaps a bit of a liability with other dogs/a concern to the public.

But I guess it does make sense to be out at unsociable hours to have the tracks to yourself.

 

[blackcob]

Dog teams run fast and outside of the initial noise when hitching up, usually very quietly - they are a danger to the public but probably not in the way you're thinking. Again, the time is likely a condition of the permit too.

 

[SadKen]

This piece describes an attack back in April and the damage to the victim who doesn’t want his mate’s pack of dogs PTS

He is very generous.

How much does anyone want to bet that the owner won’t keep up with the legal requirement to muzzle his dogs off his property?

What about if they got out?

I could startle mine abc shout at them, argue in front of other people and they still wouldn’t attack anyone and rip their ears off. It is not reasonable and there is something very wrong with the temperament of this related pack.

Singer lucky to be alive after five Bullmastiffs 'started eating him'

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT: Henry Sherridan, 23, was having a cigarette on his friend's patio in Preston, Lancashire, on April 26, when the eight-stone mutts attacked him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[CorvusCorax]

I'd forgotten about this for many years, but the late minister of the church my Dad went to had a child killed by a pack of sled dog when he lived/worked in a very remote part of Canada and she wandered into the area where they were staked out.

 

[CorvusCorax]

This piece describes an attack back in April and the damage to the victim who doesn’t want his mate’s pack of dogs PTS

He is very generous.

How much does anyone want to bet that the owner won’t keep up with the legal requirement to muzzle his dogs off his property?

What about if they got out?

I could startle mine abc shout at them, argue in front of other people and they still wouldn’t attack anyone and rip their ears off. It is not reasonable and there is something very wrong with the temperament of this related pack.

Singer lucky to be alive after five Bullmastiffs 'started eating him'

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT: Henry Sherridan, 23, was having a cigarette on his friend's patio in Preston, Lancashire, on April 26, when the eight-stone mutts attacked him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think that's serious enough for the courts to decide on rather than the wishes of the injured party.

Some of mine have been aroused by shouting/fighting/high pitched noises (they don't mind it from me, that's the difference) and one is like Begbie where if there's a fight, he'll try and join in even though it has nothing to do with him, but then again I don't have them out wandering about when I have company in the house, purely because they are territorial and don't want to make them or my visitors to feel uncomfortable.

 

[SadKen]

I think that's serious enough for the courts to decide on rather than the wishes of the injured party.

Some of mine have been aroused by shouting/fighting/high pitched noises (they don't mind it from me, that's the different) and one is like Begbie where if there's a fight, he'll try and join in even though it has nothing to do with him, but then again I don't have them out wandering about when I have company in the house, purely because they are territorial and don't want to make them or my visitors to feel uncomfortable.

Begbie

Apparently the police are treating it as a civil matter. The dogs were seized and returned after an hour, according to the piece.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

Apparently the police are treating it as a civil matter. The dogs were seized and returned after an hour, according to the piece.

This makes me so cross! Absolutely shocking.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Crazy

 

[fiwen30]

That’s wild that the dogs were released.

As an owner, I don’t think I would’ve wanted them back after they did that to someone, no matter how much I loved them. There’s no way of knowing that another ‘freak accident’ wouldn’t happen again. Completely irresponsible to keep dogs that have already done that sort of damage alive.

 

[Caol Ila]

Yeah, dog teams can be scary!

At my old yard, we had a very a short loop of rideable forestry trails. There was a chap and family who occasionally used it to train their husky team. At like 4pm. They would park their van at one entrance and the wife would stay with the van, warning horse riders and dog walkers not to go in. Never mind the ethics of blocking off a popular dog walking trail in the afternoon!! There wouldn’t be anyone at the other entrance, however, so any idiot could wander in, happily oblivious. I did once and encountered the chap with a team of three youngsters pulling a tricycle thing. We had a very nervous stand off. Neither one of us was sure how our critters would react. But I managed to inch the horse past and the dogs stayed put.

 

[Jenko109]

Why are sled dog teams so seemingly dangerous?

As for the dogs which were allowed back to their owner after that attack. Gobsmacked and disgusted.

 

[Cortez]

This is the result of an attack earlier this year on a 9 year old boy playing on the green outside his house. Pitbull running loose with owner nearby. He (owner) cleared off when the dog went for the kid.

 

[Caol Ila]

Why are sled dog teams so seemingly dangerous?

As for the dogs which were allowed back to their owner after that attack. Gobsmacked and disgusted.

I will caveat this by saying I know bupkes about driving dogs. I have a friend who does it for a living in Norway, though, so I suppose I could ask him how much control the musher actually has over their dog team.

That said, it seems to me that you have a pack of high prey drive dogs, excited and running together, and they are all operating on voice commands and the position of your body-weight in the sled. There are no lines directly connecting you to the dogs (unlike driving a horse). Your control is entirely dependant on training. If you have a young team and you encounter, say, a horse, can you stop the dogs from chasing?

Clearly the people near my ex-yard didn't think they had much control; otherwise, they would not have bothered (doing an admittedly half-a$$ed job of) stopping other dog owners and horse riders from using the trails when they were running their dogs.

 

[Errin Paddywack]

And another death.

Tragedy as mum dies after being mauled by family dog in Bedworth

Police were called to Kathleen Avenue

www.coventrytelegraph.net

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

And another death.

Tragedy as mum dies after being mauled by family dog in Bedworth

Police were called to Kathleen Avenue

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Another death A banned type? This is horrific.

 

[stangs]

And another death.

Tragedy as mum dies after being mauled by family dog in Bedworth

Police were called to Kathleen Avenue

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Now is it a pit, in which case the article's referring to it as a banned 'breed' is a mistake, or is it one of other breeds, in which case you would have thought the article would be making a big fuss about it? Either way, yet more evidence that BSL doesn't work.

As an aside, has anyone else been noticing an increase of suspiciously tall staffies in their area?

 

[Errin Paddywack]

I saw one recently, very tall staffy type, goodness knows what, but has cropped ears, poor dog.

 

[asmp]

And another death.

Tragedy as mum dies after being mauled by family dog in Bedworth

Police were called to Kathleen Avenue

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Not sure how the police can say ”Thankfully dog attacks of this nature are exceedingly rare” when it seems a regular occurrence nowadays.

 

[SadKen]

social media suggests the Warwickshire attack was by the son’s dog on his mother in their garden.

This is going to keep happening. I doubt the dog will be a banned breed but I’ve no doubt at all it’ll be a bull breed. A dog can be bred from a pit bull and something else eg mastiff, be unbelievably powerful and poorly tempered, and not be considered a banned breed because its measurements are TOO BIG to be a banned breed. More dangerous than a pit, yet not banned.

Still, a national register, dog licences and all dogs on leads in public places, preferably muzzled, will stop this. Except it won’t, even a tiny bit, but the ‘something must be done’ crew will feel better. Sigh.

 

[Rumtytum]

Not sure how the police can say ”Thankfully dog attacks of this nature are exceedingly rare” when it seems a regular occurrence nowadays.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[splashgirl45]

social media suggests the Warwickshire attack was by the son’s dog on his mother in their garden.

This is going to keep happening. I doubt the dog will be a banned breed but I’ve no doubt at all it’ll be a bull breed. A dog can be bred from a pit bull and something else eg mastiff, be unbelievably powerful and poorly tempered, and not be considered a banned breed because its measurements are TOO BIG to be a banned breed. More dangerous than a pit, yet not banned.

Still, a national register, dog licences and all dogs on leads in public places, preferably muzzled, will stop this. Except it won’t, even a tiny bit, but the ‘something must be done’ crew will feel better. Sigh.

So many of these attacks seem to be in the home so it’s about time it was made more difficult to have a dog that is capable of killing an adult. I know a smaller dog can also kill but it does seem that more and more people want large dogs without having the knowledge or capability to manage them safely. Soon none of us will be able to enjoy walking our dogs off lead and unmuzzled

 

[cauda equina]

Not sure how the police can say ”Thankfully dog attacks of this nature are exceedingly rare” when it seems a regular occurrence nowadays.

Met police dealing with at least one dangerous dog a day, figures show

MPs call for new laws as rise in number of out-of-control dog seizures is not matched by action against owners

www.theguardian.com

I wouldn't call one incident a day rare

 

[Tiddlypom]

Another attack on a child, thankfully not fatal.

Boy, 11, seriously hurt in Manchester dog attack https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65807472