Another fatal dog attack

Cinnamontoast said:
Reading a thread about this on mumsnet with posters claiming that xls will be gone within a few years. They are clearly deluded.
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They probably will be, but before then they will have been replaced by some new type of status dog. Which, of course, will be equally misunderstood as it will only have been bred for its psychopathic, sorry, calm and loving, nature.
 
We need the owners of attacking dogs charged with manslaughter or attempted manslaughter and given long prison sentences, and those prison sentences to be widely publicised to a trumpet fanfare. That would help get the message through that if you insist on having these dogs it will really hurt you if you fail to control them.
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Petalpoos said:
They probably will be, but before then they will have been replaced by some new type of status dog. Which, of course, will be equally misunderstood as it will only have been bred for its psychopathic, sorry, calm and loving, nature.
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It's been reported that the dog who attacked the elderly man in Warrington was a cane corso. Apparently this is the breed expected to 'replace' the XL.
 
ycbm said:
We need the owners of attacking dogs charged with manslaughter or attempted manslaughter and given long prison sentences, and those prison sentences to be widely publicised to a trumpet fanfare. That would help get the message through that if you insist on having these dogs it will really hurt you if you fail to control them.
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I said this a while back. Some people commented it wont work, but if the laws are enforced it will only take 2 or 3 people to be made an example of and it will. I'm normally against sentencing as a way to stop crime, it doesn't work as a deterrent in almost all cases. In this one I think it would. Right now there's no real consequences to having these dogs, people insist they are lovely friendly dogs and its bad owners, people are demonising them blah, blah, blah. If you are looking at a significant prison sentence and your life being ruined it might sharpen your mind a little about whether you really want to own one or not.
 
Colin2005 said:
It's been reported that the dog who attacked the elderly man in Warrington was a cane corso. Apparently this is the breed expected to 'replace' the XL.
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Which is what many people here expected. Then when it's not the Cane Corso, it will be something else. Having these bans just slaps a bandaid on the issue.


ycbm said:
My partial solution, post 5531, works for any breed.
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Yes, it does. I think that there's a huge issue and shortfall in general when it comes to holding people responsible, and there being actual consequence to their actions.
 
I read an article earlier on this week that suggested Bully Kuttas are the “new”
XL Bully; with several ads for imported adults animals and puppies popping up. Hopefully, it’s just scare mongering.
 
ycbm said:
We need the owners of attacking dogs charged with manslaughter or attempted manslaughter and given long prison sentences, and those prison sentences to be widely publicised to a trumpet fanfare. That would help get the message through that if you insist on having these dogs it will really hurt you if you fail to control them.
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The problem with this is many owners will be arrogant enough to think they control the dog and this will never happen to them. You don’t get big macho dogs for the fun of it, it’s always a similar personality trait that has them and that trait always comes with arrogance and a hint of eff the law. You don’t see little old Glenda who’s been serving tea to the WI for 50 years buying one.
 
ycbm said:
We need the owners of attacking dogs charged with manslaughter or attempted manslaughter and given long prison sentences, and those prison sentences to be widely publicised to a trumpet fanfare. That would help get the message through that if you insist on having these dogs it will really hurt you if you fail to control them.
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I think it’s the only way to really make the point. If you kill someone with your car, then you’d be prosecuted, why is it different with a dog?
 
The scary thing is that the dog mentioned above weighs more than I do. If I were to be knocked over by a dog that size I'd have no chance getting it off, nor if one were attacking either of my dogs. I probably wouldn't even have a chance to get a lead around it's neck or anything. I don't know why anyone would want to own a dog with that much killing power.
 
Chippers1 said:
The scary thing is that the dog mentioned above weighs more than I do. If I were to be knocked over by a dog that size I'd have no chance getting it off, nor if one were attacking either of my dogs. I probably wouldn't even have a chance to get a lead around it's neck or anything. I don't know why anyone would want to own a dog with that much killing power.
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Dog weight versus handler weight / strength / physical ability is a thing I feel lots of owners don't take into account when choosing a dog. I've always placed my upper weight limit for my own dog at around 25kg a size of dog that I can about hang on to if things go South and that I can just about pick up if ill / injured to get in the car.
In my previous dog club there was an Anatolian Shepherd that weighed about 75kg. I really liked him, and for the most part, he was a lovely dog. But occasionally, he took a dislike to another dog, and then it took two people to hold him.
At my new dog club, there are a few beaucerons. One started off with the wife handling him, but now it's the husband as it's had her over a few times and even the husband struggles when the dog gets excited. Another man, rather short, slight and no longer in his prime was moaning that someone had recommended he get a smaller dog this time but "he would get the dog he wanted!". He can't take his dog in the field with the others, as again, when it gets excited, it pulls him over. I don't think he's taken into account that he's aged since he last had a large young dog.
To an extent, you can overcome some of these limitations with training and handler experience, but I don't believe the majority of pet owners have the capacity to do it.
 
They need to go straight to the police with that one and the charge needs to be at least causing actual bodily harm, depending on how badly the man who hit the car was hurt.


ETA that dog won't be alive long, (I hope) she shouldn't have allowed it to attack Travellers. Better it's killed now than after it's attacked a human.
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Titchy Pony said:
Dog weight versus handler weight / strength / physical ability is a thing I feel lots of owners don't take into account when choosing a dog. I've always placed my upper weight limit for my own dog at around 25kg a size of dog that I can about hang on to if things go South and that I can just about pick up if ill / injured to get in the car.
In my previous dog club there was an Anatolian Shepherd that weighed about 75kg. I really liked him, and for the most part, he was a lovely dog. But occasionally, he took a dislike to another dog, and then it took two people to hold him.
At my new dog club, there are a few beaucerons. One started off with the wife handling him, but now it's the husband as it's had her over a few times and even the husband struggles when the dog gets excited. Another man, rather short, slight and no longer in his prime was moaning that someone had recommended he get a smaller dog this time but "he would get the dog he wanted!". He can't take his dog in the field with the others, as again, when it gets excited, it pulls him over. I don't think he's taken into account that he's aged since he last had a large young dog.
To an extent, you can overcome some of these limitations with training and handler experience, but I don't believe the majority of pet owners have the capacity to do it.
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Yes exactly this. When OH and I were looking to get a dog, he really wanted a Bernese Mountain Dog but I refused on the grounds that I wouldn't be able to handle it due to the size some of them can reach.
Both my dogs can be strong when they get excited but I can at least hold on to them without being pulled over!
 
Titchy Pony said:
Dog weight versus handler weight / strength / physical ability is a thing I feel lots of owners don't take into account when choosing a dog. I've always placed my upper weight limit for my own dog at around 25kg a size of dog that I can about hang on to if things go South and that I can just about pick up if ill / injured to get in the car.
In my previous dog club there was an Anatolian Shepherd that weighed about 75kg. I really liked him, and for the most part, he was a lovely dog. But occasionally, he took a dislike to another dog, and then it took two people to hold him.
At my new dog club, there are a few beaucerons. One started off with the wife handling him, but now it's the husband as it's had her over a few times and even the husband struggles when the dog gets excited. Another man, rather short, slight and no longer in his prime was moaning that someone had recommended he get a smaller dog this time but "he would get the dog he wanted!". He can't take his dog in the field with the others, as again, when it gets excited, it pulls him over. I don't think he's taken into account that he's aged since he last had a large young dog.
To an extent, you can overcome some of these limitations with training and handler experience, but I don't believe the majority of pet owners have the capacity to do it.
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This is very true. My GSD weights 30 kg, I was 67 when I got her and I am very aware that she will sadly be my last GSD. She is walked on a long link check chain, she very rarely pulls but at least I know I have control over her if she did lunge at anything.
 
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