CrunchieBoi
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There does exist a place between allowing your dog to greet every dog/person it sees and never allowing your dog to socialise with anyone/any other dog ever. You do you.
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There does exist a place between allowing your dog to greet every dog/person it sees and never allowing your dog to socialise with anyone/any other dog ever. You do you.
Clodagh
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I’ve no idea what ‘you do you’ means, but if it means I’m to do what suits me then that is fine.
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CrunchieBoi
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I’ve no idea what ‘you do you’ means, but if it means I’m to do what suits me then that is fine.
Aye, it's a nice self-explanatory wee phrase.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
This is an older training session from last year. Pictures from the trainer are still freely to be found on t'internet.
I can count at least 9 dogs present. The venue is evidently a cricket ground (sight screen, cricket square with mown crease). Aside from the reactive dog issues, as the parent of keen cricketers, I very much doubt that permission was given for paying randomers to march across the crease (the close mown rectangle), cricket clubs put a lot of work into keeping that as flat and pristine as possible. As it is, that's exactly where many of the dog walkers are criss crossing.
The outfield with the longer grass is a different matter. No idea who had or hadn't given permission to use the cricket ground as a whole, but if given it would be on the understanding to keep off the crease.
I can count at least 9 dogs present. The venue is evidently a cricket ground (sight screen, cricket square with mown crease). Aside from the reactive dog issues, as the parent of keen cricketers, I very much doubt that permission was given for paying randomers to march across the crease (the close mown rectangle), cricket clubs put a lot of work into keeping that as flat and pristine as possible. As it is, that's exactly where many of the dog walkers are criss crossing.
The outfield with the longer grass is a different matter. No idea who had or hadn't given permission to use the cricket ground as a whole, but if given it would be on the understanding to keep off the crease.
twiggy2
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Hardly self explanatory
Morwenna
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They have now closed down all of their social media and website. There was no assessment of the dogs and they were running classes in public land without insurance.
Goldenstar
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I don’t let mine socialise with other either , but it getting more difficult I have twice recently got into awkward situations and both times the owner of the dog was extremely drunk .
Once was during a meal in a pub fair enough drunk people in pubs is a thing I just had to leave at speed the second was in a park the dog was loose because it had slipped its harness off .
The woman with it was so drunk she could not either hold the dog or get it’s harness on it had no collar which made it harder at first I stopped because it was following us and the park was surrounded by roads and I was worried for it .
after about the sixth time it climbed on a terrified Pearl I said please get your dog , thats when I realised she was not inept she was absolutely smashed and nasty with it .
I left at my best fast walk i was shaken though .
Once was during a meal in a pub fair enough drunk people in pubs is a thing I just had to leave at speed the second was in a park the dog was loose because it had slipped its harness off .
The woman with it was so drunk she could not either hold the dog or get it’s harness on it had no collar which made it harder at first I stopped because it was following us and the park was surrounded by roads and I was worried for it .
after about the sixth time it climbed on a terrified Pearl I said please get your dog , thats when I realised she was not inept she was absolutely smashed and nasty with it .
I left at my best fast walk i was shaken though .
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Goldenstar
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I can’t understand the idiocy of a parent who takes a child to a reactive dog class .
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Absolute idiots.
Clodagh
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I asked my son, who is more bilingual in these modern terms, and apparently it’s a patronising, passive aggressive way of saying ‘fill yer boots’ .
For the other older people who don’t do doublespeak.
twiggy2
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I am now much qoser, its my learning for the day.
My other half asks an interesting question in these modern times is it spelt 'U do U' or 'you do you'?
Clodagh
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He tells me it’s you not u. Gosh I’m glad I have resources to access
Nasicus
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Calling it now, if bullies get banned, LGDs will be the next 'problem' dogs.
skinnydipper
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Thank you.
Old bird here who reads internet slang and acronyms and thinks 'what the hell does that mean'
cauda equina
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Surely it would be doing LGDs a favour if people were discouraged from owning them in unsuitable settings
It's not the dogs that are the problem, it's what people do with them
Nasicus
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You'd hope so! But there's always people out there who want big, strong, powerful dogs, who have absolutely no idea how to actually care for, train and manage these dogs.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
That is appalling
.Do you know if the outfit was licensed and insured for any of the other services that they advertised? Which are/were dog walking, dog sitting, dog home stays, social play?
Thanks for that, I'll file it away as being an uncalled for rather derogatory term.
It's rather annoying when people post some buzz word or phrase, then won't clarify what they mean by it. They probably don't know themselves
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cauda equina
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We're probably all aware of the pitfalls of overhorsing ourselves
But people don't seem to appreciate the perils of overdogging themselves, which in many ways is more dangerous especially if innocent third parties get caught up in the mayhem
Morwenna
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That is appalling
Do you know if the outfit was licensed and insured for any of the other services that they advertised? Which are/were dog walking, dog sitting, dog home stays, social play?
No idea. I am local to the area so have seen this on a local Facebook page. I’ve never used the company so know nothing about them. The fact that the girl’s parent will be taking legal action against the owners of the dog “when they identify them” fills me with horror. Why on earth would you run a class like this without getting the names and contact details of all participants…
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
Maybe it’s time to introduce licensing again but use the money generated to have more dog wardens and also have compulsory training for anyone who gets a dog. It would be a pain for those of us who are experienced dog owners but if there was some sort of test you had to complete showing handling of dogs and how you would react in certain situations and basic training and etiquette it might not be too bad as hopefully we (HHO people) would pass immediately, embarrassing if we didn’t though
.CrunchieBoi
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Nope, in context it simply means what you said initially i.e. people are free to do whatever suits them and their dogs. No different to saying "each to their own".
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Goldenstar
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You can over dog yourself as easily if not easier than you can over horse yourself .
i do have some experience of ASD’s because I lived in Turkey and they where very common guards dogs in apartment blocks usually they where chained during the day and ran loose in the some parts at night .
They are fantastic dogs and when you see them up on the steppe with herds of sheep and goats it’s very special I was once up in the mountain in April in snow and saw the dogs with a herd of goats returning to a village at dusk the goats divided off to there own barns and the dogs (3) returned to the front of the house they where from .
They are not IMO a house pet .
i do have some experience of ASD’s because I lived in Turkey and they where very common guards dogs in apartment blocks usually they where chained during the day and ran loose in the some parts at night .
They are fantastic dogs and when you see them up on the steppe with herds of sheep and goats it’s very special I was once up in the mountain in April in snow and saw the dogs with a herd of goats returning to a village at dusk the goats divided off to there own barns and the dogs (3) returned to the front of the house they where from .
They are not IMO a house pet .
Errin Paddywack
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Too many people these days who buy dogs on their looks the same way they buy their furniture. At one time you would never have even heard of some of these breeds never mind bought one. If only people realised that you can't override the hardwired instincts that a dog has been bred to have without generations of breeding for a more 'domestic' type. Not always possible even then. So sad for the dogs that end up in the wrong sort of homes and for the often totally innocent people killed/maimed by some of them.
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
I'm quite happy to let my lot socialise with known dogs and even new ones-met a 20 week old cockerpoo yesterday, a 3 legged Bosnian rescue (just why?!) plus some others who were all friendly. It isn't a 'rule', but if you go to the big woods, you expect off lead friendly dogs, although mine now happily go past if directed to do so. There was a nervous dog (owner was more nervous!) on lead the other day. We put ours on the lead and took them past, I know how it is to have a reactive dog. I just think it's a funny choice, we stopped going to those woods with Zak because it is very well known for loose dogs. I know they have to be walked somewhere and in an ideal world, everyone's dog would be under 100% close control, but you definitely can't guarantee that is hundreds of acres of woods.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I don't expect to stop and chat and make physical contact with every human I meet in the park or in the woods, I am sure it is the same for a lot of dogs. In a shared space, everyone has the right to go about their own business.
stormox
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I can't see anything wrong in this training environment. Dogs are well spaced out and appear to be focusing on their owners.
Poster has no idea whether they have permission to train there and just assumes they have not.
And yes- I have trained dogs in several disciplines under these kind of conditions.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
As I posted, I have no idea if the group had permission to be at the ground
.However, it is extremely discourteous to damage the cricket crease (the paler close mown rectangle) by repeatedly walking across it. It's bad enough that they are on the square, the larger close mown area.
The longer grass on the outfield would be much more suitable, if permission to be there was granted.
The cricket club will have spent many, many hours rolling and mowing that crease to provide a good consistent pitch for matches. It's just plain ignorant and rude to march across it like that.
TP, parent to two former county level junior cricketers.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Our local cricket club lease a bit of their ground to an agility club but it is nowhere near the playing area.
I have agreed to meet people to work on things at a park but I am not a business and not making money and no one who calls themselves a professional should be having classes or competitions in a shared/public space without permission/insurance. The other problem with training in public/shared areas is that you cannot stop Flabrador and Little Fluffy and He's Just Being Friendly from bombing over and jumping at your dog, which is counter-productive if you are trying to train a reactive dog.
As I said before, landowners are not absolved from liability in cases of injury, whether they have given permission or if there have been waiver forms signed or not, whether or not the injury was directly caused by a dog. It is hard enough to find willing landowners and safe spaces to work with dogs. People need to stop thinking about themselves, their earnings, doing everything as cheaply as possible and cramming so many dogs into classes and think about the wider impact of their behaviour on everyone else and the people who are trying to do things safely and responsibly, who will also be punished because of the selfish behaviour of a few.
I have agreed to meet people to work on things at a park but I am not a business and not making money and no one who calls themselves a professional should be having classes or competitions in a shared/public space without permission/insurance. The other problem with training in public/shared areas is that you cannot stop Flabrador and Little Fluffy and He's Just Being Friendly from bombing over and jumping at your dog, which is counter-productive if you are trying to train a reactive dog.
As I said before, landowners are not absolved from liability in cases of injury, whether they have given permission or if there have been waiver forms signed or not, whether or not the injury was directly caused by a dog. It is hard enough to find willing landowners and safe spaces to work with dogs. People need to stop thinking about themselves, their earnings, doing everything as cheaply as possible and cramming so many dogs into classes and think about the wider impact of their behaviour on everyone else and the people who are trying to do things safely and responsibly, who will also be punished because of the selfish behaviour of a few.
skinnydipper
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Reactive dogs are usually fearful. Fearful dogs can bite if they feel they have no other choice.
I would guess that the Anatolian Shepherd was doing what it is genetically programmed to do, defending flock (human) and space.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Also potential redirection/prey bite, blood was up after initial altercation, didn't get to finish what it started with the other dog/knew it couldn't be bested and child was in the vicinity/moving/making noise/easier target etc....
ETA geeky aside that I'll repeat for anyone interested, a defence bite is usually done with the front of the mouth, on and off 'go away, get out of my space'. Prey bite where the whole mouth is used, dog hangs on and causes crush injuries, is aimed at extinguishing life and movement. You can also tell from the type of barking if a dog is in prey or defence.