Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
The dog did exactly what it has been bred to do
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Another fatal dog attack
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twiggy2
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LGB are there to protect their pack/flock from any potential threat, be that human or any other perceived threat, it is worrying that I am frequently seeing people suggesting these breeds as an answer to dealing with sheep being attacked by dogs in the UK.
For a LGB ti be efficient at its job livestock have to be managed in a completely different way to how they are currently when kept on wide open land/spaces in the UK, in countries such as Portugal where these dogs are still widely used they are not socialised with other dogs or humans outside of those they live and work with and they are not nice to come across.
For a LGB ti be efficient at its job livestock have to be managed in a completely different way to how they are currently when kept on wide open land/spaces in the UK, in countries such as Portugal where these dogs are still widely used they are not socialised with other dogs or humans outside of those they live and work with and they are not nice to come across.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Our friends got Anatolian Shepherds for their remote farm in Canada. They could not be approached by strangers.
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
Just a query... If I allow use of my premises for the keeping and training of horses, commercially, it is oft said on this forum that the land owner would be responsible/liable for any injuries/bad practice. I presume this would be the same for dogs?
Was it a cricket club, as in private, I wonder, or a council rec field?
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
It is.
Morwenna
Well-Known Member
A friend of mine grew up in rural South Africa and has just got a dog here and said it’s a different world. In SA the dogs live outside and are there to guard the property. They played with their dog in the garden but it never came in the house, was never walked and you never approached another person’s dog. I don’t think many of the people who get these breeds here are aware of what they can do or how best to manage them as they are not the kinds of dog you can take for a pootle round the park once a day. He has just got a rescue cockerpoo as much as he loves the breeds he grew up with he would never have one here.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
The LGDs I saw in Spain were cropped and docked had inverted pinch collars around their necks with the prongs facing outwards, I presume to discourage other dogs or wolves from going for their necks.
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
Oh I think plenty of people still over horse themselves, but with dogs the problem is just several times the magnitude because there are so many more dog owners than horse owners, and I also think the horsey community in general are better at (sometimes rather matter of factly) pointing out to someone that they have over horsed themselves. Plus, moving on a horse that you don't have the skills for is eminently possible, whereas moving on a reactive, unruly dog....as many rescues know only too well, it's a minefield.
And like you say, the liklihood of an out of control dog causing damage to third parties is much higher than an unruly horse. Which also makes me consider that third party insurance amongst horse owners is relatively common, but amongst dog owners it must be vanishingly small. Is it included in general dog insurance packages? I have no idea
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I've had third party for mine but there are plenty of exemptions. For example, if the dog injures someone in your family or someone you are travelling with. We must have third party if travelling abroad or taking part in competitions in Europe, you have to send the policy document as part of the entry.
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
Tbf the forest by me is similar. Most dogs are loose and because there's lots of space it is generally alright, plus most people are pretty good at putting their dogs on leads to pass others. It's more of an issue on horse back tbh, because if a dog spots you and locks on before the owner does a fair few find their recall suddenly failing.
I had a cracker a couple of weeks ago actually - I was ambling along the main forest track at about 7am and gradually become aware that I can hear jingle bells
. As the sound got closer I stopped because neither me nor the horse could work it out. And then crashing out of the undergrowth in front and to the right of us came a dog (the size of a standard poodle but with the colouring of a springer) with the sort of bells you give to a kid in a nativity play attached to its harness. Fortunately it didn't notice us initially and bounded across in front and up a hill on the other side. Then appeared the owner who saw me, held up his hand and shouted "give me a sec!!" At which point the dog noticed us and came flying in our direction. Arty held her nerve initially but then span, more because of the bells than anything (they know to stand in that situation and usually she's unflappable with lary dogs). I shouted at the dog and it stopped and then responded to it's owner's recall, he put it on a lead and I tentatively walked past. As I passed he said "sorry about the bells, he chases the deer so I put bells on him to give them an advance warning"WTAF?!? That is not a suitable answer to your dog chasing deer. I was genuinely dumbfounded.
Titchy Pony
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I'm sorry, but that had me in stitches.Tbf the forest by me is similar. Most dogs are loose and because there's lots of space it is generally alright, plus most people are pretty good at putting their dogs on leads to pass others. It's more of an issue on horse back tbh, because if a dog spots you and locks on before the owner does a fair few find their recall suddenly failing.
I had a cracker a couple of weeks ago actually - I was ambling along the main forest track at about 7am and gradually become aware that I can hear jingle bells
WTAF?!? That is not a suitable answer to your dog chasing deer. I was genuinely dumbfounded.
Perhaps they were originally a cat owner. They often get told to put bells on their cats to stop them hunting effectively.
*Wanders off wondering if putting bells on monster would be any use seeing as the wildlife around here seems to have a death wish*
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
There used to be several husky owners who’d belled their dogs, you could hear them a mile off. Apparently it was to do with the dogs disappearing in the woods. I have no idea how they thought that would help given the vastness of the area!Tbf the forest by me is similar. Most dogs are loose and because there's lots of space it is generally alright, plus most people are pretty good at putting their dogs on leads to pass others. It's more of an issue on horse back tbh, because if a dog spots you and locks on before the owner does a fair few find their recall suddenly failing.
I had a cracker a couple of weeks ago actually - I was ambling along the main forest track at about 7am and gradually become aware that I can hear jingle bells
WTAF?!? That is not a suitable answer to your dog chasing deer. I was genuinely dumbfounded.
There’s a dogwalker who has one on her beagle, who trails along beside her. Really not sure why she bothers!
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
I think it was one of those laugh or cry things. I genuinely spent the next couple of days wondering if this was a thing now...was it something that had just passed me by? Do people really put bells on their dogs to give the unwitting victims of their over-enthusiasm a head start??
SaddlePsych'D
Well-Known Member
I had an advert for Injury Lawyers 4U specifically related to dog bite injuries on my FB yesterday. At the rate things are going it will be interesting to see how insurance and civil legal cases influence things even if criminal legal cases don't.
TheresaW
Well-Known Member
We have huskies as you know. They are never off lead unless in a secure area. I’m quite sure bells would be absolutely useless!There used to be several husky owners who’d belled their dogs, you could hear them a mile off. Apparently it was to do with the dogs disappearing in the woods. I have no idea how they thought that would help given the vastness of the area!
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
'I have no control, but with a soundtrack'
AmyMay
Situation normal
We have a bell on a dog that comes to us. She’s completely deaf, and whilst she’s always in sight we use it as a precaution.
Cortez
Tough but Fair
I have bells on my 3 dogs, with different tone on each. It has helped me find a lost dog in the past and it means I know where they are, even in the house.
Jenko109
Well-Known Member
I actually think it's a fab idea. I might pop one on my whippet for when he takes himself off on a bunny hunt 
rabatsa
Confuddled
I used to have a bell on my last GSD. She had been known to run up behind you and take your knees out in passing, the bell gave us warning when it was likely to happen.
twiggy2
Well-Known Member
Our lot could play a merry tune
DabDab
Ah mud, splendid
Well yes, using bells so that you personally can hear where your dog is is one thing, but using bells as sole mitigation for allowing your dog to crash through the undergrowth, past the 'delicate ecosystem in this area, please stick to the path' signs, and terrorise the local wildlife in its own habitat...not really OK is it
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Can I say that if your dog isn't deaf and your dog wears a bell to training, in a big fenced field where it never goes out of sight and it moves around a lot, that or even multiple jangling tags is VERY ANNOYING.
Clodagh
Well-Known Member
And must be so annoying for the dog, too.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
That's what I was thinking. Dogs have very sensitive hearing, so be forced to hear a jingling bell close up all the time must be verging on intolerable.
A bell might have its uses in certain short term limited situations as the lesser of many evils, but permanently? No.
Jenko109
Well-Known Member
We dont have a path. We are on an open common.
My dogs dont hassle the cows or the ponies or the donkeys, including when they have a calf or foal at foot. Or the pigs when they're about. All of which are turned out on the common.
I am however quite happy for them to try and catch a rabbit. Nothing better than a dog with a fresh rabbit for his breakfast
**runs for cover**
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
I assume the bell is attached to a collar. Unless it is a break-away collar then leaving a collar on an unsupervised dog, or even worse multiple dogs, is not a great idea. It's a safety issue (strangulation).
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Goldenstar
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My father had aload on crotal bells he has got from some where .They are lovely things and go from the very utilitarian to the pretty and decorative .
He put them on the dogs we probably had six or so at the time they soundEd great us kids loved it my Mum vetoed them and I found them when I was clearing the house in a drawer by his bed full of bits and pieces from our childhood .
I used one on Sky who came to us as an very overdramatic spooky bully . I attached one to the neck strap it worked a treat and this of course was one of their original reasons for use.
He put them on the dogs we probably had six or so at the time they soundEd great us kids loved it my Mum vetoed them and I found them when I was clearing the house in a drawer by his bed full of bits and pieces from our childhood .
I used one on Sky who came to us as an very overdramatic spooky bully . I attached one to the neck strap it worked a treat and this of course was one of their original reasons for use.
Nasicus
Well-Known Member
I was sick of my sisters cat killing all and sundry, so I bought a pack of bells and stitched the lot onto his collar. Looked like a tambourine and sounded like a Morris Dancer
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
I actually think it's a fab idea. I might pop one on my whippet for when he takes himself off on a bunny hunt
You mean you don't know where he is (or what he is doing)?