Another fatal dog attack

[cauda equina]

After looking at this one I kept scrolling, quite a few adult bullies for sale for low prices , the trouble is they could easily get into the wrong hands , feel sorry for the dogs

The low priced ones all say something like 'Change in circumstances forces sale' - which sounds like 'I previously let my dog do whatever it wanted but I am now being expected to follow certain rules and can't be arsed'

 

[meleeka]

The compensation is only up to £200 to cover the cost of euthanasia. It has to be paid out first and then claimed back afterwards with a signed form from the vet.

Eminently preferable to them being dumped to roam the streets because owners cant afford to PTS

I can’t see this working. They’d still have to have the £200 up front. For people on benefits that’s a lot of money.

I have a friend who’s an OAP. Her dog is also elderly and is a xbreed that could fall under the description. I can guarantee she won’t be complying with anything. Her dog is never off lead (because it has no recall), but I know she wouldn’t have insurance or muzzle him. It will be interesting to see how far the law is enforced, or if it’s going to be the same as all the other laws involving animals that aren’t.

 

[AmyMay]

I can’t see this working. They’d still have to have the £200 up front. For people on benefits that’s a lot of money.

I have a friend who’s an OAP. Her dog is also elderly and is a xbreed that could fall under the description. I can guarantee she won’t be complying with anything. Her dog is never off lead (because it has no recall), but I know she wouldn’t have insurance or muzzle him. It will be interesting to see how far the law is enforced, or if it’s going to be the same as all the other laws involving animals that aren’t.

Surely if they could have paid a grand or so for the dog in the first place, they can afford £200?

 

[meleeka]

Surely if they could have paid a grand or so for the dog in the first place, they can afford £200?

That’s like saying if you paid £20k for a horse you ought to be able to find £5k for a vet bill up front, which we know isn’t always the case. From my experience there’s a lot of dogs getting sold for a lot less than that. The thing about some people who rely on benefits is that they don’t budget, so they might have bought the dog when they sold something, but doesn’t mean they’d have £1 left by the end of the week.

I’d have liked to see the costs being claimed by the vets directly .

 

[skinnydipper]

The low priced ones all say something like 'Change in circumstances forces sale' -

and when you (one) know the breed because you own the mother, you suddenly find that your dog is too big for you to walk.

I don't buy that excuse.

Big dogs can be trained to walk nicely on a loose leash.

 

[cauda equina]

And we (or most of us anyway) manage to lead our horses who are a lot bigger than the biggest of dogs

 

[conniegirl]

That’s like saying if you paid £20k for a horse you ought to be able to find £5k for a vet bill up front, which we know isn’t always the case. From my experience there’s a lot of dogs getting sold for a lot less than that. The thing about some people who rely on benefits is that they don’t budget, so they might have bought the dog when they sold something, but doesn’t mean they’d have £1 left by the end of the week.

I’d have liked to see the costs being claimed by the vets directly .

You should never own an animal if you cannot afford to give it a dignified end.

Big dogs can be trained to walk nicely on a loose leash.

This with bells on.
We used to have a gorgeous but enormously oversized golden retriever. He weighed 40kg and not an ounce of it was fat.

A toddler could have walked him on the lead.

 

[meleeka]

You should never own an animal if you cannot afford to give it a dignified end.

I totally agree. You also shouldn’t own one if you can’t be bothered to make sure it doesn’t bite anyone, but here we are.

 

[Indy]

For those who can't afford to pay insurance, the Dog Trust third party liability would be affordable at £25 a year. Bandit is insured on this as he comes to work with me.

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[DabDab]

I'm surprised they haven't included some breed makeup genetics testing in the definition (not enough known maybe)....I think if you're a mastiff owner you best well have the papers on hand to prove it

(Assuming the ban is in any way enforced of course)

 

[Spanny]

I'm surprised they haven't included some breed makeup genetics testing in the definition (not enough known maybe)....I think if you're a mastiff owner you best well have the papers on hand to prove it

(Assuming the ban is in any way enforced of course)

The way I read the legislation is that breed and DNA don't actually matter, so if a dog falls within the physical definition it falls within the ban. This was the section:

 

[marmalade76]

I’ve just read that as well, seems a bit ludicrous as it’s a choice they make if they don’t want to be responsible dog owners, i wonder if it’s to stop people dumping them?

Yes, probably to prevent dumping and just reduce the numbers which is a good thing.

 

[gunnergundog]

The way I read the legislation is that breed and DNA don't actually matter, so if a dog falls within the physical definition it falls within the ban. This was the section:

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Assuming there is enforcement of course, I am very pleased to read the above.

All hell broke out on a local village Facebook group the other week; a lady posted enquiring whether the escaped XL had been caught and was it safe to go out. Apparently, she had been walking her small breed dog when she encountered two separate people who were out looking for the abovementioned XL. Both said that it was aggressive and to get home pdq and to avoid it at all costs if she saw it. The bully lovers came out in their droves, claiming it was misunderstood (!) and in any case it wasn't an XL. Long story short, the owner eventually came on to say it was back home and that it was a dogue de bordeaux cross; his ex then came on and said it was indeed, but crossed with an XL. Who knows the truth but if it falls under the criteria of the new legislation I will be very pleased.

 

[Ditchjumper2]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0FUdsHUMF8QXiWPmPp6at35kQHCoRF47q6V855sihTpwX1ktpwUFwePgpjFsKMKyPl&id=100057665164126

Another advert!

 

[Nasicus]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0FUdsHUMF8QXiWPmPp6at35kQHCoRF47q6V855sihTpwX1ktpwUFwePgpjFsKMKyPl&id=100057665164126

Another advert!

Dave sounds like a fecking nightmare and a danger!

 

[marmalade76]

Guessing they're all going to be bully mixes now.

 

[sarah.oxford]

Had a customer today who said that her vets sent out a letter when the upcoming legislation was announced and she's going to have to muzzle her dog and keep it on the lead, but she said she doesn't need insurance because he's registered with a vet, and... wait for it, because he's not 'pure' XL bully, he's crossed with a pitbull.
I suggested that she should double check (trying to be polite, as I am paid to not offend people)

 

[AmyMay]

Had a customer today who said that her vets sent out a letter when the upcoming legislation was announced and she's going to have to muzzle her dog and keep it on the lead, but she said she doesn't need insurance because he's registered with a vet, and... wait for it, because he's not 'pure' XL bully, he's crossed with a pitbull.
I suggested that she should double check (trying to be polite, as I am paid to not offend people)

You can be polite and spell out the legislation

 

[oldandgold]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0FUdsHUMF8QXiWPmPp6at35kQHCoRF47q6V855sihTpwX1ktpwUFwePgpjFsKMKyPl&id=100057665164126

Another advert!

Sounds like an accident to happen to me - these "rescues" need to get there heads out of their backsides and stop writing "fluffy puppy" adverts for their dogs.

 

[AmyMay]

Sounds like an accident to happen to me - these "rescues" need to get there heads out of their backsides and stop writing "fluffy puppy" adverts for their dogs.

Yep, third or fourth post about the same dog….

 

[paddy555]

this one sounds great. Likes children so no chance of him going hungry at dinner time and very protective of his handler when out so at least the handler won't get attacked, raped or murdered. Heaven help the rest of the public.

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I do feel so very sorry for these poor dogs. This really isn't their fault that they were ever born.

 

[AmyMay]

My God. And so the offloading starts.

 

[photo_jo]

this one sounds great. Likes children so no chance of him going hungry at dinner time and very protective of his handler when out so at least the handler won't get attacked, raped or murdered. Heaven help the rest of the public.

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I do feel so very sorry for these poor dogs. This really isn't their fault that they were ever born.

He's also selling Belgian Malinois pups

 

[ArklePig]

I cannot believe what I'm seeing here. Some organisation is crowd funding to bring xl bullys to NI because there's no ban here. Also thought this one particular comment was pretty special/thick. Lost for words and actually raging.

 

[Smitty]

Oh the drama!! On a local dog Facebook group they are being sent to Ireland "to save them from this dreadful law"

As one person said, get them neutered, chipped and muzzle them in public. And that's it in a nutshell really.

 

[KittenInTheTree]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought would happen

 

[SilverLinings]

All they are 'saving' them from is a muzzle, neutering and a lead?! And potentially 'rescuing' the odd XLB from being PTS as it is being offloaded by an owner who already knows it is aggressive

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

I cannot believe what I'm seeing here. Some organisation is crowd funding to bring xl bullys to NI because there's no ban here. Also thought this one particular comment was pretty special/thick. Lost for words and actually raging.

I am furious! As though we haven't got enough problems of our own on the island of Ireland without importing the UK cast offs! And you can bet your last euro that a lot of those they import will end up down here in the south, 'fostered' to a certain section of society that just love dog fighting and all the suffering and cruelty that goes with it.

On looking into their page, I feel a prickling sensation in the back of my neck, the whole thing reeks of another rescue 'charity' that we have here down in Kerry, it was a complete and utter money making con and animals suffered hugely and it is still in operation today, albeit just dogs now no longer horses. Do you know how long the page has been in operation ArklePig ? It doesn't give any real information of exact address, any contact number, purely the FB page. And no posts older than this year.

 

[ArklePig]

No not a clue I'm afraid, I don't follow that page it was shared to another group I'm in, but I believe they are based in Derry?

I have many feelings about the whole thing, you've articulated most of them for me! It'll also provide a handy option for people with pups they can't shift I suspect.

There was another post on Facebook yesterday I think of someone raffling off a litter of XL pups, 20 pounds a ticket. Horrific, all of it.

 

[AmyMay]

Apparently they don’t list their name or the exact location to protect the dogs in their care.