Brave people post "good shoeing" pix please

[floradora09]

Ah! One thing I did not comment because I didn't think that I could see it clearly enough is that I think your boy may have a slight outward curve (bullnose) to his hind feet. I've seen these several times and each time they have been associated with a horse which does not deal well with excess carbohydrate, particularly spring/summer grass. If your boy does have this, then his "concussion" laminitis could actually be very low grade dietary laminitis, which is weakening the laminae and allowing the foot to become concussed.

It is possible that you would be able to control the concussion problem with a few changes to his diet - for example if you do not already do so, take him off grass from midmorning to sunset in spring and summer. If you want more information on this search the site for barefoot and diet. There is a ton of information about it which is equally applicable to shod horses.

I personally wouldn't try pads before adjusting his diet and pads would be a very last step for me because of the mess that the feet often get in underneath them. I've used them in the past. The shoes stayed on fine but the feet went soggy underneath.

Oh that's interesting, hadn't realised bullnose feet were linked to diet either. Will try to dig out some better pics of his back feet if people want, in fact might link to my photobucket album so as not to clog up this thread too much! Reason I ask is sometimes in the summer he can be more sensitive on his front feet, less tolerant to work on hard ground etc. To be fair it's only been a couple of occasions (and one was caused by a corn- the one time he was shod by a different farrier while mine was on holiday) but made me wonder if pads were worth considering. He's currently barefoot behind anyway.

Is your only/main complaint with his shoeing that they appear to be too far forward? Took a couple of pics just now- this is his 2nd shoeing and he was done about 2 weeks ago. Think they look better?

 

[Oberon]

I hope aliceflapjack doesn't mind but I added some lines to illustrate what I think CP means, if wrong am sure she will say!

so the yellow lines (actual lines of front wall and heel) are parallel, however the growth at the top of the hoof wall is coming down at a different angle, as roughly illustrated by the red line, so there is a broken angle on the front wall

therefore it the parallelity new word might be artificial and not following the growth of the foot.

The upper two inches of growth from the coronet is pure and beautiful and not subject to any mechanical forces yet.

Further down is where the wall is pulling away from the coffin bone at the laminae.

 

[AFlapjack]

I hope aliceflapjack doesn't mind but I added some lines to illustrate what I think CP means, if wrong am sure she will say!

No I don't mind

The upper two inches of growth from the coronet is pure and beautiful and not subject to any mechanical forces yet.

Further down is where the wall is pulling away from the coffin bone at the laminae.

Oh dear that sounds awful So it is only happening because he is shod?

 

[Oberon]

Oh dear that sounds awful So it is only happening because he is shod?

Horses weren't designed to hang from the wall alone so it's very common with shod horses. Sometimes when looking at flare, you have to 'fill in' missing wall in your mind when the farrier has rasped the flare away from the outside.
But it also happens to any horse with a weakened laminae attachment - most often in BF you find it with dietary problems.

When BFers talk about "growing in a good wall connection" that is what we mean. Allowing the wall to grow all the way down at the angle the horse wants, indicated by the first two inches at the top.

 

[lout]

Really interesting thread....
Sorry, dont have any pics - but ive recently been riding some local Clydesdales at a stud near me. the horses have very squared off feet.
I dont understand why, apart from "thats the way they do it!!" also, it seems common practice to trim their feet in such a way that enhances a 'cow hocked' look.

coming from a competition horse background -i dont get it at all.

can anyone tell me the pros and cons about shoeing horses in this way? I can only see the cons personally.

thanks

 

[wellsat]

HEALTH WARNING

Taking this much interest in your horse's feet can result in the development of obsessive behaviour which will result in you lying in the dirt staring at hoof lines

My YO asked me if I was praying the other day!

 

[Holly Hocks]

If you were wondering what I meant by high low heel then that would take pages.


It has one leg longer than the other, P3 has a higher angle in the front right (palmer angle) than the front left, the right knee is a bit higher, the scapular angle is a bit more acute, in a nutshell It will have a diagnonal orientation, it will not like the right rein etc.

A Guilding - you are completely spot on! I can't believe you have worked this out from a couple of photos of my horses feet. She does indeed have the right knee a bit higher and yes her shoulderblade is more acute as the saddle fitter pointed out. And when ridden she struggled tremendously with the right rein..any solution you can advise will be taken on board.

 

[black_horse]

Something a little different

i wonder if you can guess what this was for?

 

[trina1982]

Something a little different

i wonder if you can guess what this was for?

For attaching springs during dressage tests for extra cadence? lol (i am joking, but if that is in anyway close i wouldn't actually be that surprised - sadly)

Trina x

 

[black_horse]

For attaching springs during dressage tests for extra cadence? lol (i am joking, but if that is in anyway close i wouldn't actually be that surprised - sadly)

Trina x

HAHA yes, yes thats it

Nope, try again

This might help
http://www.facebook.com/v/384378695977

http://www.facebook.com/v/384378480977

 

[Carefreegirl]

I'm pleasantly surprised the way this thread has turned out. Reading it from the start last night I thought tin hat and run for cover but thank goodness no. I have no pics and certainly wouldn't post them without my farriers permission. However having lost my previous horse to navicular due to poor foot balance (same farrier from 8months to 10 yrs when I signed him over to a bloodbank). I learnt he'll of a lot very fast. I know have a brill farrier, got joint 1st at a county show last sept for best shod horse and I know he has well known clients who drive 6hrs with a lorry load of horses for him to shoe. Yes he's expensive compared to most but I won't put a price on my horse,a TB still being with me after the age of 10.

 

[3Beasties]

Something a little different

i wonder if you can guess what this was for?

Humm, to allow an abscess to drain?

I've no idea but would be interested to know!

 

[Carefreegirl]

Black_horse - I don't do facebook, please tell ???

 

[Carefreegirl]

Blinkin phone. That should read I NOW have a brill farrier and I learnt a HELL of a lot very fast.....

 

[black_horse]

Humm, to allow an abscess to drain?

I've no idea but would be interested to know!

Very very close well done

Delicia came in from the field 9/10ths lame and nonweightbearing on her hind leg, a lot of heat but no swelling. She had a history of abesses in this foot and showed tenderness in the same area.

farrier and vet called, vet and farrier diagnosed an absess that was very deep within the hoof capsule. Farrier cut against the frog and a LOT of horrible puss came out. Wound was sterilised and packed and a poltice used. However delicia was still nonweighbearing and continually kicking out with that leg (in pain and discomforted) She kept destroying her poltices no matter how much tape we used and the wound kept becoming dirty. She was still producing puss after a week and it started coming out of her corronet band.

The farrier created the above concoction for us. It had a screw lock lid on it which allowed us access to the wound site to clean and pack and then close the lid with the antisceptic packing in place against the wound. It took 12 weeks for it to heal correctly, she was sound after 3 weeks from initial onset of the abcess but the wound wouldnt heal properly (was very deep) so needed cleaning daily, then every other day, then once every three days. After it was healed she was shod normally and hasnt had an abcess since

 

[black_horse]

carefreegirl - you shouldnt have to join facebook to see the videos

 

[A Guilding]

carefreegirl - you shouldnt have to join facebook to see the videos

That is very well shod the fit and forging is excellent. I like the pad fit to.

 

[black_horse]

our farrier is amazing!
The 'pad' was a rigid shatter proof plastic about 1cm thick (trying to find more photos to show you!) It was really hard getting the lockable lid off (have a special device to do it).

Delicia was very lame and tbh when i saw her i thought she had the infection in her bones as she was reacting so violently towards it and was so distressed. It used to take 45minutes to an hour to dress the hoof daily, in the first three weeks this was done three times a day and the hoof had to discharge into a bucket *pukes*

blurgh, was not a nice job!

 

[Kaylum]

how many of you know if your shoes are made or bought in, many are bought in as shoe making is not learnt at colllege but learnt through those that want to leArn and takes a good while to make a set of shoes, which is why many farriers buy in.

 

[ester]

mine normally buys shoes in, I think most do (at least round here!) as it means more horses shod in a day= more ££ but is currently preferring to make the bar shoes that are on mine.

 

[Ladydragon]

The farrier created the above concoction for us. It had a screw lock lid on it which allowed us access to the wound site to clean and pack and then close the lid with the antisceptic packing in place against the wound.

Well blow me down with a feather... That is really quite amazing...

 

[Oliviaandsparrow]

another thats seen clydes and clyde shire xs with square toes... anyone know the reason? All 4 are completely square (as in 90 degrees!) and only come about 2/3s up the foot so nothing under the heel. I can sort of comprehend this on the hinds (although still cant see its right) but on all 4?

 

[Rowreach]

how many of you know if your shoes are made or bought in, many are bought in as shoe making is not learnt at colllege but learnt through those that want to leArn and takes a good while to make a set of shoes, which is why many farriers buy in.

Mine are all hand made in the forge on the yard

 

[3Beasties]

TB with not the best feet! He was shod approximately 4 weeks ago so these are not 'new' shoes. (sorry about the mud, we are on clay and it is a nightmare to get off despite lots of scrubbing!)

Please be nice!

NF

NH

OF

OH

 

[black_horse]

Well blow me down with a feather... That is really quite amazing...

I truely is isnt it My farrier really is a diamond and i trust him so much with Delicia's feet

 

[Ibblebibble]

how many of you know if your shoes are made or bought in, many are bought in as shoe making is not learnt at colllege but learnt through those that want to leArn and takes a good while to make a set of shoes, which is why many farriers buy in.

both not that they are shod now but my farrier always has the bars on the van to make a shoe plus the usual assortment of ready made ones

 

[A Guilding]

TB with not the best feet! He was shod approximately 4 weeks ago so these are not 'new' shoes. (sorry about the mud, we are on clay and it is a nightmare to get off despite lots of scrubbing!)

Please be nice!

NF

NH

OF

OH

Good job, Graduated bar shoes arnt easy to fit and that looks a good job, The near hind is crushing the outside heel does it have any issues at the back end?

 

[3Beasties]

Good job, Graduated bar shoes arnt easy to fit and that looks a good job, The near hind is crushing the outside heel does it have any issues at the back end?

He's got arthritis in his hocks and is not the easiest to shoe behind (think due to stiffness), he does tend to drag his toes along if given a chance but he is going much better now he's had his hocks treated. The shoes from last winter were nearly worn completely through at the toe when thy were taken off!

 

[Carefreegirl]

Black_horse that's brill job your farrier did. Must of been a very interesting process, I love stuff like that. Didn't realise your facebook links were videos but signal is rubbish on my phone at home. I'll def have a look tomorrow at work.

 

[natalia]

To me they look a little short in the heel but nothing unusual, especially in a hunter. Your farrier also seems to shoe every foot with one branch of the shoe longer (the outer) than the other?

I'm struck, though, by something which is very common in shod horses, and that is how different the angle of the first half inch of his feet is compared to the rest. This sometimes happens because the farrier is trying to keep the angle of the heel parallel with the angle of the front. In doing that, he leaves the heel longer. The horse counters this by putting out a longer toe, and then the farrier has to allow the heel to get higher again to get the lines parallel. In time, over many years, the whole foot moves foward. I'm not saying that this is what has happened with your horse, but I would want to investigate why the natural angle that he wants for his foot (the first half inch from the coronet band) is not the angle of the rest of his foot. If you compare with A Guildings son's pictures from early on, you might see what I mean. In those photos there is an unbroken line from the coronet down.

The shoe with an outer edge longer is a typical "Hunter" fit shoe, my boyrfriends a farrier so I know about these things! It's like that so they don't strike or get caught up so easy with lots of road trotting.