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the bloke has to be insane doesnt he? noone could think this was justifiable? and surely whoever actually did the dead, they must have been acting unlawfully with no permission or proof of ownership from the YO? beggars belief.
 
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Such a tragedy for the poor horse, loaner and owner. Two people have been arrested and we need to hope that the police can charge them with something which will stick! The person who made the statement about being unable to load the horse safely so decided to humanely dispatch is not one of the two who were arrested. Additionally, surely when you make this decision you would again call the owner or loaner regardless? They say they did not have contact yet then there are reports they called the loaner and stated they would tie up the horse in her garden - so must have been able to contact her somehow! Also for those talking about it being in the contract, I was up in the early hours and read most of the threads before they got pulled, and from what I read it was a verbal thing "if you don't pay I'll shoot your horse" - threat type thing not an actual written contract. £30 is 3 weeks livery there so less than one calendar month - so realistically wasn't even in debt collection time? Really really really hope some kind of justice can be bought. The poor, poor owner. I saw the pictures last night and was up in the early hours because having seen them I couldn't stop picturing them as one of my lot - disgusting.
 
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Zoobie said:
Allegedly the centre is where the rspca use to put secret seized horses and the males involved are rspca inspectors
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Glad you put 'allegedly' before this statement.......!

This is a sickening and wicked act by someone who is clearly a violent, unreasonable and unhinged individual. I hope and pray that any other liveries on the yard have either left, or are making plans to do so as soon as possible. This type of sicko does not care for one minute what people think of him, or how his actions affect others - the only way to truly hurt him is in his pocket (and I don't mean a good hard kick to the bullocks, which I would be more than happy to oblige with). Perhaps a non violent, but extremely noisy protest outside his premises would also be in order? If I lived anywhere near, I would gladly go down there with a placard and the noisiest horn/alarm/siren I could find.
 
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People have alleged that if he loses all liveries he will not be upset by this, as they believe his end game plan is to turn the place into an industrial unit.

That said, the business of the RSPCA *apparently* renting for £230 per week per horse (which seems astronomical) would mean he wouldn't need any liveries to keep a profit. It's my personal opinion that the RSPCA need to move or at least be seen to be proactive in this case as they are on site and it would be a perfect example to restore a little bit of faith - or, if nothing is done, destroy that last little bit of faith people have been holding back..! It would be a sad move politically if they are not seen to leave or make a stand.
 
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Very sickening stuff, but the reporting makes no sense, especially as the Yorkshire Post and the York press have slightly different accounts.

Police and the RSPCA were called to a house in Raskelf near Easingwold after a woman reported that her horse had been shot and killed.

Reports locally suggested the animal had been killed earlier in revenge for a small unpaid debt of £30, driven to the property in the hopper of a JCB, then dumped in the garden.

Two men have been arrested.

The horse, named Kit, was a seven-year-old thoroughbred former racehorse, leased by mother-of-two Beckie Warner.


Ms Warner said: “I cannot get my head round what has happened, that someone could do something so evil. It’s unreal - it’s like something you would read about.”

Police confirmed a 36-year-old man from Raskelf and a 53-year-old man from York were arrested on suspicion of criminal damage. Both remain in police custody.



A spokesman for North Yorkshire Police said: “Officers were called to an address in Raskelf at 9.40pm on Wednesday 15 October 2014, after a report of a horse having been shot and left in the property’s garden.



“Two men aged 36 and 53 were arrested on suspicion of criminal damage shortly before 12.30am on Thursday 16 October 2014. They both remain in police custody.”



Speaking to the Yorkshire Post, a spokesman for the GG Centre in Raskelf said the horse had been “abandoned” a mile away from the centre and was “extremely dangerous”,

He said the horse had “injured my son yesterday”.

“That’s the guts of it - a danger to the public.”

Asked about claims of unpaid livery fees, he said: “It’s not on livery here. It has been horseracing. It’s not unpaid, it has been abandoned and ignored.”

He said the horse had not been cared for and no-one had put a rug on it.

It was owned by someone “who didn’t fulfil her contract.”

The spokesman then handed the phone to a woman who said: “We don’t shoot horses here.”

The line was then disconnected.



But on a website forum, a user called Green007 wrote: “My horse Kit was not hard to catch or handle - she was a loving mare who did not deserve to end up like this. I would have collected myself rather then it resulting like this. I would hope people would now stop posting pictures and speculating about my horse. I’m devastated that they decided to carry out their actions without my consent.”



An RSPCA spokeswoman said: “An RSPCA inspector attended the scene in Raskelf last night and into the early hours of this morning to assist police with their ongoing investigation into the death of a horse.



“We will continue to offer our assistance where required but the matter is being led by North Yorkshire Police and anyone with information should contact them directly.”

Today, social media users were aghast at the crime, which has echoes of a scene from the movie The Godfather.

On the Facebook group page of York Equestrian, a user posted a picture of Kit, with the message: “Rest in peace beautiful horse, you didn’t deserve to be murdered and abused in such a cruel, callous way.”

Commenting on Facebook, Sacha Bailey Myers said: “This breaks my heart. I am so deeply sorry for Becky’s loss and I sincerely hope justice is given.”
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TWO men have been arrested after a horse was killed and dumped in a garden overnight.

North Yorkshire Police and the RSPCA were called to the property in The Green, Raskelf, near Easingwold, at about 9.30pm last night, after a woman reported the horse she leased had been shot and killed.

The Press understands the horse had been killed and driven to the property in the bucket of a JCB before being dumped in the garden, and local reports suggest it was over a small unpaid debt.

Karen Colman, an RSPCA inspector, said the arrests had been made at the GG Centre in Raskelf. She said the horse had been killed with a .38 pistol and said there was nothing physically wrong with the animal before it was killed.
Beckie Warner, the woman who leased the horse, said: "I am absolutely devastated. I still cannot think straight. It's like being in a trance. I cannot get my head round what has happened, that someone could do something so evil. It's unreal - it's like something you would read about."

She said the horse, Kit, was a seven-year-old thoroughbred and former racehorse.

She said she had heard a JCB in the street last night and, having just put her seven-year-old and four-year-old daughters to bed, went to put the rubbish out when she saw a shape in the garden.

She said: "I walked over and used the torch on my phone and saw it."

Edward Harvey Johnson, owner of the GG Centre, said the horse had been left with them in a DIY livery field owned by the centre, at a cost of £10 a week.

Police have today confirmed a 36-year-old man from Raskelf and a 53-year-old man from York were arrested on suspicion of criminal damage at about 12.30am today, and currently remain in police custody.

Raskelf residents told of their shock today. Dennis Jarvis, who lives on The Green, said he saw police arriving around 11.15pm yesterday.

He said: "There must have been about 12 police vehicles coming and going, vans, cars and officers in plain clothes. I looked down from my window and could see a big shape under some sheets, and I thought it might be a human body."

He said the resident whose garden the horse had been put in had only lived there for a few weeks.

He said the centre had tried frequently to contact Ms Warner and had told her they would tether the horse in her garden if she did not contact them.

He said attempts to get the animal safely into a horse box were unsuccessful so the horse had been put down humanely by a licensed specialist in the field and then transported to Ms Warner's garden.

Mr Johnson said: "We removed the destroyed horse for them to dispose of in the correct or legal manner, as is the responsibility of the owner. We are satisfied it was handled in the best possible way and we fulfilled our obligations for the safety and well-being of the general public.

"In this business you have to make these kind of decisions and they are not always pleasant or easy, but they have to be made. The buck has to stop somewhere."

Donna Spencer, from Acomb, was at the scene last night, and said: "The lady only had the horse on loan, she didn't own it.

"He phoned her and threatened her, and said if she didn't pay the money, the horse would be tied up in her garden. I'm just sickened, I can't believe someone has stooped so low to shoot someone's horse over £30. This needs to get out there."
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It does not tie up, but absolutely horrific regardless.
 
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"Not on livery here......."? "Owned by someone who didn't fulfil her contract......"? Contradicts himself a bit there.

Irrespective of how the horse allegedly behaved, or whether or not it was hard to catch, this man had no right to act in the way he did - bad enough that he shot it, but to dump it in someone's garden??? That's just sick. He clearly thinks he's some kind of hard man/gangster type, when in reality he's just a sick, inhuman and violent waste of fresh air.
 
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It is a ludicrous thing to state that you shot the horse because it was wild, abandoned and a danger to the public. Any normal person would phone the RSPCA, WHW, Redwings, the Police, not take matters into their own hands ! And it makes it an even more outrageous and stupid thing to say if he holds horses for the RSPCA as alleged. If that is the case then the first thing you would do is get on to your contact in that organisation ! Unbelievable, I just hope the law comes down on him like a ton of bricks. My condolences to all involved with the poor horse concerned
 
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Absolutely not - the story has been reported on here http://m.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11538...n_with_JCB___2_men_arrested___UPDATED/?ref=mr where it says that two men have been arrested. Any sort of naming and shaming could lead to an accusation of contempt of court, and the collaps of the trial. Be very careful what you post on social media, and here (I'm a former journalist, so I know about the law surrounding these issues, in case you wondered)
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Well, now that we know arrests have been made, I concur with you of course... My post was before we knew this and in response to an earlier post where someone had said that prosecution could not be made because of the contract. I don't think that someone should be able to act in an immoral way even if it's not illegal, but it is being handled by the police so presumably there are grounds to consider it illegal. I never post anything on social media just to be safe anyway!
 
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Ohhhh....... I've just picked this up on FB.

Truly horrendous.

Even more so considering the horse was on loan; feel SO sorry for the poor owner in all of this who'd have been given the most horrendous shock about their horse.

It could have so easily happened to me: I put my boy on livery three years ago and the stoopid numpty girl that had him didn't pay a penny for his keep (unbeknown to me) for five weeks and then turned around and said oh dear I can't afford the livery. :( The YO in this case then expected ME as the owner to stump up the livery bill!!

So why in this situation didn't the YO stop and think and if the livery bill hadn't been paid - and £30 is frankly a piddling amount - WHY FFS didn't the yard contact the owner if they were worried about the money???

OMG, awful, just awful.
 
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Kaida said:
People have alleged that if he loses all liveries he will not be upset by this, as they believe his end game plan is to turn the place into an industrial unit.

That said, the business of the RSPCA *apparently* renting for £230 per week per horse (which seems astronomical) would mean he wouldn't need any liveries to keep a profit. It's my personal opinion that the RSPCA need to move or at least be seen to be proactive in this case as they are on site and it would be a perfect example to restore a little bit of faith - or, if nothing is done, destroy that last little bit of faith people have been holding back..! It would be a sad move politically if they are not seen to leave or make a stand.
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I remember reading about a particular yard being found to be very lacking in the care of the horses there - turned out to be used by the RSPCA to house horses they had rescued from dodgy owners - poor animals, out of the frying pan into the fire.
 
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Poor, poor horse and owner. This is horrific. Who in their right mind settles a £30 debt by taking a horses life.

And to think this yard was were I planned to move my horse to after he was backed. I shudder at the thought.

We had a new livery arrive today from this place, not surprised the owners moved ASAP. Just horrendous.
 
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OMG! I hope these people rot in hell for what they have done! £30 that's only 3 weeks rent and apparently the horse hasn't been there long! Vile individuals and my heart goes out to the owner and the loaner. RIP, you did not deserve the fate that awaited you.
 
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Poor poor poor horse, owner and sharer and all those involved.
Words fail be, barbaric, horrid uncalled for act by a by a person needing phsycreatic help.


There was a better way of dealing with non payment, padlock on door, court and more. This was shocking and down right cruel, I hope they rot in hell.

I find that strange where a person calls a horse a danger to the public when he is brandishing a gun and shoots in cold blood a defenseless animal.
 
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The terms and conditions part of the site appears to not be working!!!

It is advertised at £10 per week for grass livery but surprisingly the grass livery leaflet is not working either
 
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green007 said:
My horse Kit was not hard to catch or handle she was a loving mare who did not deserve to end up like this. I would of collected myself rather then it resulting like this.I would hope people would now stop posting pictures and speculating about my horse. I'm devastated that they decided to carry out there actions without my consent.
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I am so sorry for your loss.
 
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