Indigo Irish Draughts - please read, a heads up.

[FestiveG]

When were the horses sold to the dealer, does anyone know?

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I would still ask the question who were the people who advised that this was the best way to sell off the horses. Were they suitably experienced and did they have nothing to gain from emptying the yard?

And if the charity is a rehabilitation centre and some horses are still at the farm, were they not able to spend some time assessing and finding homes or selling the others individually from the farm.

It also doesn't make sense as it is incumbent upon the executor to maximise the value of the legacy. Selling horses individually or in small groups should have brought in more money than selling a job lot, even to a reputable dealer, let alone a bin-end dealer.

 

[Rupert2021]

When were the horses sold to the dealer, does anyone know?

Beginning of may

 

[FestiveG]

Beginning of may

So there was no issue of not being able to access funds for keep for the horses, as probate was granted a good while prior to that.

 

[DabDab]

We may never know the full facts of why/what happened
But we do know Janet didnt want her horses to ended up in a bin end dealers yard .
Im sure the aim of this post was to raise awareness and for everyone to keep their eyes out for any indigos and make the relevant FB admin aware .
The condition of the fields / size of the property isn’t relevant . It’s the welfare of Janet’s horses that’s all important

Well yes of course, and I'm sure this post has raised awareness. But there was linked Facebook post with comments that then were being discussed on here, and actually, a bit of discussion, around what is a pretty unusual set of circumstances helps to both keep the post alive and raising more awareness for the horses, and reminds people to double check their own situation re wills and horses/animals.

 

[paddy555]

£4 million estate, and the horses were sold off

why wouldn't they be. The job of the exor was to wind up the estate. The other beneficiaries would expect things to be sold and their bequests to be paid out. Horses don't look after themselves. They need staff, food, hay, accommodation. That all has to be paid for. Presumably the time came to cut the expenditure.
Many of the comments re the selling of the horses are from horse people who think they could have been sold for more, to better homes, their problems dealt with etc.
Possibly a price was agreed for the sale to the Cauldwells and this was found to be acceptable to the beneficiaries.

t also doesn't make sense as it is incumbent upon the executor to maximise the value of the legacy. Selling horses individually or in small groups should have brought in more money than selling a job lot, even to a reputable dealer, let alone a bin-end dealer. (Sorry PAS quote didn't work)

The expenses in maximising the value may have been more than could be obtained. At the end of the day it is about the beneficiaries getting their money, sadly there didn't appear to be anything in the will about horse welfare.

 

[Arzada]

Tragic and deeply upsetting

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

why wouldn't they be. The job of the exor was to wind up the estate. The other beneficiaries would expect things to be sold and their bequests to be paid out. Horses don't look after themselves. They need staff, food, hay, accommodation. That all has to be paid for. Presumably the time came to cut the expenditure.
Many of the comments re the selling of the horses are from horse people who think they could have been sold for more, to better homes, their problems dealt with etc.
Possibly a price was agreed for the sale to the Cauldwells and this was found to be acceptable to the beneficiaries.

t also doesn't make sense as it is incumbent upon the executor to maximise the value of the legacy. Selling horses individually or in small groups should have brought in more money than selling a job lot, even to a reputable dealer, let alone a bin-end dealer. (Sorry PAS quote didn't work)

The expenses in maximising the value may have been more than could be obtained. At the end of the day it is about the beneficiaries getting their money, sadly there didn't appear to be anything in the will about horse welfare.

Apparently at least some of the horses could have been sold earlier, which would certainly have gone some way towards maximising value. Those horses keep would not have had to be paid for post sale. I can't see that this episode will have done the charity any long term good tbh.

 

[Rupert2021]

Can I just clarify these horses have not been sold to the cauldwells

 

[shortstuff99]

Can I just clarify these horses have not been sold to the cauldwells

He's ended up with some of them though which is a shame.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Can I just clarify these horses have not been sold to the cauldwells

Do you know which dealer they were sold to?

 

[Rupert2021]

He's ended up with some of them though which is a shame.

It is. But the dealer who brought them knew all of there issues in detail, and didn’t disclose them when selling on

 

[Rupert2021]

Do you know which dealer they were sold to?

I’m sorry I don’t feel comfortable with disclosing on here as they aren’t the nicest of people and they are just too close to home

 

[Xmasha]

Well yes of course, and I'm sure this post has raised awareness. But there was linked Facebook post with comments that then were being discussed on here, and actually, a bit of discussion, around what is a pretty unusual set of circumstances helps to both keep the post alive and raising more awareness for the horses, and reminds people to double check their own situation re wills and horses/animals.

Raising awareness is what’s needed , I personally didn’t like some comments that imo where derogatory over Janet’s estate / quality of horses .

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

It would be interesting to see a copy of the will.

You can get it online. I got a copy of my dad’s when I couldn’t find the original. You need JG’s real name and the lawyer needs to have published it, pretty standard with many firms. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/

 

[AmyMay]

why wouldn't they be. The job of the exor was to wind up the estate. The other beneficiaries would expect things to be sold and their bequests to be paid out. Horses don't look after themselves. They need staff, food, hay, accommodation. That all has to be paid for. Presumably the time came to cut the expenditure.
Many of the comments re the selling of the horses are from horse people who think they could have been sold for more, to better homes, their problems dealt with etc.
Possibly a price was agreed for the sale to the Cauldwells and this was found to be acceptable to the beneficiaries.

t also doesn't make sense as it is incumbent upon the executor to maximise the value of the legacy. Selling horses individually or in small groups should have brought in more money than selling a job lot, even to a reputable dealer, let alone a bin-end dealer. (Sorry PAS quote didn't work)

The expenses in maximising the value may have been more than could be obtained. At the end of the day it is about the beneficiaries getting their money, sadly there didn't appear to be anything in the will about horse welfare.

Of course, you’re right. But it would appear that there were several people wanting to purchase horses prior to them being sold to a dealer. But their approaches weren’t taken up. And, also, as the land doesn’t appear to have been sold (which I imagine would form the bulk of the estate) it doesn’t appear the beneficiaries were clammering for their share (speculation I know).

Also, knowing what the horses and her legacy meant to JG you’d have thought that the executor would have taken this on board (as they are permitted to do). That coupled with the legitimate, knowledge and professional views of staff can only lead to one conclusion.

Do the job, get paid. Get out of Dodge.

 

[equinerebel]

Please make sure you have clearly defined in your will what should happen to your animals and who will be responsible for them after you’ve gone. Then have a conversation with your executor(s) and make sure they understand your wishes and can ask you any questions or clarify things.

This should prevent a non-horsey executor relying on other people to interpret what the deceased wished for.

Make it clear. And then make it even clearer.

 

[AmyMay]

I believe that horses that were sold initially went to Beamans.

 

[Kaylum]

It's what happens inbetween that also needs sorting. Money for feed, livery and everything else. You need to make some emergency measures as its so expensive to keep them. Who will pay in the meantime. Your horse maybe sold if your livery isn't paid.

 

[stormox]

But how do people know the horses are suffering? It is possible many have found good homes. Dealers don't hang on to saleable horses.

 

[AmyMay]

But how do people know the horses are suffering? It is possible many have found good homes. Dealers don't hang on to saleable horses.

Fair comment.

But it’s the principle of what’s happened that is objectionable. It absolutely goes against the wishes of JG.

 

[Rupert2021]

But how do people know the horses are suffering? It is possible many have found good homes. Dealers don't hang on to saleable horses.

Because potential buyers have searched their names and have got in touch with us. Some sedated and buted to be sold for a ridiculous price tag. How can you possibly sell horses with kissing spines, OCD lesions to ridden homes? This is exactly why they should have either stayed at Janet’s or PTS

 

[paddy555]

You can get it online. I got a copy of my dad’s when I couldn’t find the original. You need JG’s real name and the lawyer needs to have published it, pretty standard with many firms. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/

info you need is Janet George and dod 21/11/21
easy enough to get it

 

[criso]

Link here to the letter sent in may asking the executor to consider pts instead of selling to a dealer

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[sky1000]

So this will drafter and executor failed to understand (and draft) how much the welfare of her horses meant to Janet? To the extent that she allowed several of them to be sold in a job lot to a dealer?

 

[Rupert2021]

So this will drafter and executor failed to understand (and draft) how much the welfare of her horses meant to Janet? To the extent that she allowed several of them to be sold in a job lot to a dealer?

18 of them to be precise
All with issues

 

[paddy555]

Fair comment.

But it’s the principle of what’s happened that is objectionable. It absolutely goes against the wishes of JG.

Because potential buyers have searched their names and have got in touch with us. Some sedated and buted to be sold for a ridiculous price tag. How can you possibly sell horses with kissing spines, OCD lesions to ridden homes? This is exactly why they should have either stayed at Janet’s or PTS

I'm afraid that it simply raises the questions as to why JG didn't detail her wishes in her will and secondly surely if some were unsuitable to rehome she could have added a codicil to the will saying X, Y and Z should be PTS at home on her death.

And, also, as the land doesn’t appear to have been sold (which I imagine would form the bulk of the estate) it doesn’t appear the beneficiaries were clammering for their share (speculation I know).

Also, knowing what the horses and her legacy meant to JG you’d have thought that the executor would have taken this on board (as they are permitted to do). That coupled with the legitimate, knowledge and professional views of staff can only lead to one conclusion.

Do the job, get paid. Get out of Dodge.

we have no idea if the beneficiaries were wanting their share. They may well have been pushing the exor.
You are right do the job, get paid and end of. That was her job. She is a professional and presumably that is why JG chose her. If the exor had continued with the situation then all the time it would simply have been running up her fees which would have impacted the beneficiaries.
I'm afraid JG's job was to tell the exor precisely what to do. Very very sad for the horses.

So this will drafter and executor failed to understand (and draft) how much the welfare of her horses meant to Janet?

I'm sorry to be at odds here but the exor. was a professional doing her job. The welfare of the horses was up to Janet to make arrangements for.

 

[equinerebel]

It's what happens inbetween that also needs sorting. Money for feed, livery and everything else. You need to make some emergency measures as it’s so expensive to keep them. Who will pay in the meantime. Your horse maybe sold if your livery isn't paid.

Absolutely. Provide additional means for them in the “hand over” period (which can take some time) or state in the will for them to be pts upon your death within x time frame, in the safety and comfort of their home, in the manner of your choosing. And make sure the money is there for that too. All of this needs to be put clearly in our wills. And for dogs, cats and other pets too.

Then at least this sad situation won’t be for nothing.

 

[windswoo]

I've read the posts from the start. Such a sad situation.
Has really given me a kick up the backside to get my will sorted

 

[Errin Paddywack]

When a friend of mine was given a short time to live, she arranged for her horse to go to charity along with a significant donation and her dogs who were all rescues with assorted problems were put down.