The SNP and Mrs Nicola Sturgeon
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Judgemental
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Like I said, quite the imagination
Imagination or not.
What is your view and as you appear to be a resident of Scotland.
There was a referendum only a year ago or was it two years, why another one.
Will the EU accept Scotland as a member?
Isbister
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Mrs May has slapped down the request.
Scotland's public finances are actually in a worse state than Greece's. With the example of the EU's recent treatment of that country, as compared with the generous support the Scots receive courtesy of English taxpayers, their choice of which union offers the better terms should be easy, provided they can overcome the latent and ever-present anti-English sentiment the nationalists are constantly trying to stir up.
Scotland's public finances are actually in a worse state than Greece's. With the example of the EU's recent treatment of that country, as compared with the generous support the Scots receive courtesy of English taxpayers, their choice of which union offers the better terms should be easy, provided they can overcome the latent and ever-present anti-English sentiment the nationalists are constantly trying to stir up.
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Alec Swan
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It would seem that the Indy Ref is following the same path as did the EU question of acceptance of the Euro, by some. We just keep asking the question until we get the answer that we want!
I'm reaching the point where I'd prefer that we who will remain, simply force the separation upon Scotland.
Alec.
I'm reaching the point where I'd prefer that we who will remain, simply force the separation upon Scotland.
Alec.
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ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Me too. We're coming out. It's looking more and more likely that is actually going to happen. So let's negotiate our deal for the UK. Then Scots can have their vote on whether to stay with the UK as it then stands, or accept the kind of austerity budget that will cripple them as badly, or worse, than the southern states of the EU have been crippled, in order to get away from England.
What's as sure as eggs is eggs is that in neither case is Scotland going to get the debt financed socialist utopia that the Nationalists want.
Snuffles
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The news that the English are going to pay even more for prescriptions and dental fees while the other nations get it free should make them realise how well off they are in the Union !(the Scots I mean)
Tracey Ullman has got NS off to a T
Tracey Ullman has got NS off to a T
cobgoblin
Bugrit! Millennium hand and shrimp.
Salmond seems to have finally realised that Scotland will need it's own currency...I wonder how long it's going to take for him to realise that if Scotland is in Schengen (as it will have to be) that there will be a hard border.
Snuffles
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Also TM has not said No to another referendum only not now, so I don't really understand why NS et all are getting their kilts in a twist
Isbister
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Personally I don't care if the Scots want independence - let them have it. They entered the union broke, and - thanks to their spendthrift politicians - they would leave it broke.
Hoping to make a new home in the EU, and using the euro (which they would have to do), when most of Scotland's trade is with the UK which will soon be outside the EU, would only make matters worse for them. Greece without the sunshine.
Hoping to make a new home in the EU, and using the euro (which they would have to do), when most of Scotland's trade is with the UK which will soon be outside the EU, would only make matters worse for them. Greece without the sunshine.
Snuffles
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I feel sorry for TM. She has been dropped in it big time by Call me Dave etc. I bet hes glad hes out of it all.Bet she wishes now she'd not taken on the job.
cobgoblin
Bugrit! Millennium hand and shrimp.
All TM has to do now is keep quiet and watch NS implode.
Where is Dave?....I found him profoundly cowardly, resigning in a hissy fit after he said he would trigger article 50 immediately.
Judgemental
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I feel that the majority are of a similar opinion. Your sentiment may very well serve Mrs May quite effectively.
She is a very nice person and if there is one thing the British dislike, is somebody like Angus Robertson bullying Mrs May. Along with Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh acting like a yapping terrier at his side.
Of course, neither Mrs May or any of her ministers are obliged to answer any questions from the SNP, indeed remaining silent and putting them into 'coventry' would be interesting. In other words comprehensively ignoring all their juvenile stupidity and repetitive questions. Not being on speaking terms with somebody, has a profound result and would be acutely embarrassing for the parliamentary SNP in the H of C.
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Judgemental
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It must be the oxygen of publicity or laughing gas....
According to the interview with Sophy Ridge on Sky:
Young Ms Sturgeon has no idea what currency Scotland should adopt.
She has fantasized about Scottish Independence since she was 15.
To cap it all she wants the remainder of the United Kingdom to provide Scottish defence when independent.
Does not want any of the Barnett Consequential money from the UK
Would somebody please explain what all these decent Scotsmen and women see in Nicola Sturgeon?
According to the interview with Sophy Ridge on Sky:
Young Ms Sturgeon has no idea what currency Scotland should adopt.
She has fantasized about Scottish Independence since she was 15.
To cap it all she wants the remainder of the United Kingdom to provide Scottish defence when independent.
Does not want any of the Barnett Consequential money from the UK
Would somebody please explain what all these decent Scotsmen and women see in Nicola Sturgeon?
Buddy'sMum
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How about you stick to the facts, Judgemental?
Here's a full transcript of the interview Judgemental is referring to, for anyone who is interested in what was actually said:
https://corporate.sky.com/media-cen...-sturgeon,-first-minister-of-scotland,-190317
Judgemental
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How about you stick to the facts, Judgemental?
Here's a full transcript of the interview Judgemental is referring to, for anyone who is interested in what was actually said:
https://corporate.sky.com/media-cen...-sturgeon,-first-minister-of-scotland,-190317
Defence, Currency and Money, my comments are entirely accurate.
As for fantasizing about independence since Sturgeon was 15, no that is not mentioned but it was trailed earlier on Sky.
Still what ever Sturgeon says, I would not trust anything she says, bearing in mind her wholesale dishonesty over English Votes for English Laws and the Hunting Act 2004.
She really thinks the Defence of Scotland will be provided by England Wales and Northern Ireland in an independant
Scotland!
Not a chance, she is wholly deluded. But then independence is a non-starter, the notion is joke.
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ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
But she's not deluded, is she? Do you really think we would sit and let IS or N. Korea walk in and take over a country we share a relatively small island with?
Judgemental
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It's all or nothing and I hope the people of Scotland realise that.
Folk want independence, then off they go and look after themselves.
The old adages of "the grass is always greener" or "better the devil you know" etc could not be more appropriate.
If any country of organisation decides to invade or take over Scotland, so long as they don't come south of the border, best they get on with it.
In other words, Sturgeon is going to have have her own Army, Airforce and Navy paid for by the people of Scotland, one less bill for England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Also to become part of NATO and if President Trump has anything to do with it, every NATO member country pays their fair share of the defence budget.
Independence on those grounds alone are simply not feasible. Beats me why the subject is even up for discussion.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Here's the situation, judgemental.
Scotland have no army, navy, air force or any other form of defence.
ISIS announce that they are going to take Scotland as part of their Caliphate.
England sits there and lets them, builds a big wall on the border with armed sentries on it and patrols the sea around the border with gunboats and a shoot on sight policy.
It might be what you dream of at night, but seriously, does that sound in any way credible to you?
If Scotland simply choose to spend nothing on defence, England still has to defend the whole island, in its own self interest. Sturgeon knows that, she ain't stupid.
Scotland have no army, navy, air force or any other form of defence.
ISIS announce that they are going to take Scotland as part of their Caliphate.
England sits there and lets them, builds a big wall on the border with armed sentries on it and patrols the sea around the border with gunboats and a shoot on sight policy.
It might be what you dream of at night, but seriously, does that sound in any way credible to you?
If Scotland simply choose to spend nothing on defence, England still has to defend the whole island, in its own self interest. Sturgeon knows that, she ain't stupid.
alainax
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I very much like this young MP, I don't agree with all of her views, but her passion and honesty is refreshing.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10154664178041939/
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10154664178041939/
Buddy'sMum
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I wasn't talking about alternative facts, Judgemental
Defence wasn't even discussed in the interview.
Re what currency an independent Scotland would use, the FM said that the pound within a currency union would be the starting point for discussions but that a Growth Commission is currently looking at currency options for Scotland.
Why do you have so much trouble understanding that Westminster would not be responsible for allocating public expenditure funds to an independent Scotland?
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Buddy'sMum
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Same. Westminster needs a few more like her.
Buddy'sMum
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Eh? Every NATO member country DOES pay their fair share.
Alternative facts, an extreme dislike of the SNP and zero understanding of how NATO contributions work. Your name's not Donald, is it Judgemental?
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Unfortunately not true. Every country is supposed to spend 2% of GDP but most of them don't. Trump is right, they rely too much on the US.
cobgoblin
Bugrit! Millennium hand and shrimp.
Eh? Every NATO member country DOES pay their fair share.
Alternative facts, an extreme dislike of the SNP and zero understanding of how NATO contributions work. Your name's not Donald, is it Judgemental?
Only five countries spend the required 2% of GDP on defence...these are US, UK, Poland, Greece and Estonia.
Buddy'sMum
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OK, I don't disagree, ycbm and cobgoblin. Germany in particular could and should pay more. But the 2% target is probably an unrealistic one for many of the smaller economies - just because they're not paying as much as the US doesn't mean they're not paying a fair share. Several of those that don't currently meet the 2% target are increasing their defense budgets so will have reached 2% by 2024.
Trump seems to think he's going to get a big fat cheque for all the money he thinks the US is owed.
Trump seems to think he's going to get a big fat cheque for all the money he thinks the US is owed.
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cobgoblin
Bugrit! Millennium hand and shrimp.
I think they all agreed to 2%.....besides which, if Greece can manage it......
Buddy'sMum
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Well, they agreed to meet the 2% target by 2024. Are you suggesting the smaller developing economies should follow Greece's example of decades of massive overspending?
cobgoblin
Bugrit! Millennium hand and shrimp.
No, I'm suggesting that Greece has managed it despite its dreadful economy...and the smaller a country's GDP , the smaller one's contribution. Nothing unfair in that.
Buddy'sMum
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Well, the Greek government is managing to spend 2.38% of GDP on defense while one in three Greeks are living below the poverty line. Priorities, eh?
Goldenstar
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Eh? Every NATO member country DOES pay their fair share.
Alternative facts, an extreme dislike of the SNP and zero understanding of how NATO contributions work. Your name's not Donald, is it Judgemental?
It's simply not true that all NATO members pull their weight I suspect it's one of the few things Trumps correct about .
Why should the US do more than it's fair share ?