Dressage EG and Glocks ToTo Jr score over 86% in the KUR

[shortstuff99]

they will know where to look if he goes missing

perhaps you will have one some day, if the intention is there?

Yes a Lusitano is definitely next on my list! I already have a number of PRE's so fancy a Lusitano next ?

 

[Goldenstar]

I kind of think that part of the reason Totilas seemed to go so wrong with Rath was because the horse was suddenly ridden in a totally different way and appeared to fall apart. So I see what you're saying but I'm not sure that practically it would have worked, at the point that Totilas was a "made" horse.

He was the wrong rider for the horse .

 

[tristar]

anyone want to watch rembrandt borbet and nichole uphoff WM 1994 on you tube, its a very good view the way its recorded, and what do we think of his piaffe and his frame?

its very easy to watch!

 

[oldie48]

Toe drag in passage, no lift in piaffe, tendency to run in extended trot although preferred the front leg to the spiders, also saw toe drag in walk and in the one test I watched he showed a lot of tension in the walk. TBH there were times I thought he didn't look quite right behind. Poll not the highest point but she does correct it, actually there were some mistakes too. I did watch a couple of tests and there was more lift in the piaffe with one of them but uneven. I did wonder if the toe drag was a result of the surface but I also watched one on grass and saw the same.

 

[shortstuff99]

Here's a good video of teaching a green horse Piaffe...

 

[tristar]

so into 2010, what do we see when watching fuego X11, or fuego de cardenas, more of the modern age, world cup 2010?

 

[oldie48]

so into 2010, what do we see when watching fuego X11, or fuego de cardenas, more of the modern age, world cup 2010?

I watched the 2010 Kur. How could anyone not love the energy and showmanship, he's a joy to watch! Trot work is great, this is a horse made to passage and piaffe, super lift. I didn't love his walk though, I thought there was quite a of of tension in the collected walk, extended walk was better. Not a huge fan of the canter work either really, the canter piris were huge. Some of the transitions were a bit ragged too. Loved the music though and Diaz with his one handed work, such fun and although he's clearly a hot little horse, showing some tension at times, he clearly loves his work. I wish someone else would comment as I have no judging experience but I felt it shows how difficult it is to have a horse with the conformation to do the collected work as well as the lateral work with expression and freedom, let alone the trainable temperament to put it all together.

 

[Cortez]

Spanish horses nearly always get the "tension" comment when compared to WB's in competition, but having ridden and trained both I can say that I find the opposite to be true, i.e: WB's look relaxed but aren't, and PRE's/Lusitanos look tense but aren't. Very, very different types of horses.

 

[oldie48]

Spanish horses nearly always get the "tension" comment when compared to WB's in competition, but having ridden and trained both I can say that I find the opposite to be true, i.e: WB's look relaxed but aren't, and PRE's/Lusitanos look tense but aren't. Very, very different types of horses.

That's interesting but makes it challenging for the judge doesn't it, who can only mark what they see or think they see? A bit like the DAP + and - issue.

 

[Sossigpoker]

Judges can only mark what they see, so if you need a slo mo camera to see DAB+ or - (and it appears that you do) you'd need to completely change the method of judging. Just out of interest and because I am being so lazy ATM I looked out EG and Totilas Kur when T was 9. tbh I had a lump in my throat, I'd forgotten how magical he was when with Gal, just remembered him with Rath when he often looked less than happy. Anyway here's the link just in case anyone else wants a trip down memory lane.

I'm not a dressage fan but remember seeing this at the time. And just like then, makes me a feel a bit emotional- what a horse!!!

What has happened to Totilas? Since he was sold he seemed to not feature any more?

 

[tristar]

my non horsey friend on only his first horse, i showed him all the videos , then said which do you like, he said he loved rembrandt and fuego, he loved rembrandt because, `he and the rider looked like they could walk on eggs and not break them`, loved fuego `` how could you not like that`` then i said what about the toto horses, and he could`nt remember what they were like

yet to show him corlandus

 

[tristar]

Spanish horses nearly always get the "tension" comment when compared to WB's in competition, but having ridden and trained both I can say that I find the opposite to be true, i.e: WB's look relaxed but aren't, and PRE's/Lusitanos look tense but aren't. Very, very different types of horses.

must be the ````electricity````

 

[tristar]

i am wondering as toto 1 st never got to the olympics, for reasons, that is what they could be aiming for with toto the 2nd

 

[shortstuff99]

I'm not a dressage fan but remember seeing this at the time. And just like then, makes me a feel a bit emotional- what a horse!!!

What has happened to Totilas? Since he was sold he seemed to not feature any more?

Totilas isn't sound, so he only breeds now.

 

[Cortez]

Totilas isn't sound, so he only breeds now.

He's also 20, so beyond competing at his age.

 

[milliepops]

time flies when you're having fun ??

 

[shortstuff99]

He's also 20, so beyond competing at his age.

Although he had been out of the competition scene for while though I think? He didn't compete at the 2012 Olympics.

 

[Cortez]

Although he had been out of the competition scene for while though I think? He didn't compete at the 2012 Olympics.

He retired from competition in 2015. Valegro retired in 2016 at the age of 14.

 

[daffy44]

Totilas isn't sound, so he only breeds now.

Not sure thats true

 

[ycbm]

Not sure thats true

He retired very obviously unsound, withdrawn in the middle of a competition as I recall, and has not competed since. I expect he isn’t drug tested for that video.
.

 

[daffy44]

Yes, I recall his lameness at Aachen, and I know he hasnt competed since. No one that isnt involved closely with the horse knows what medication he may or may not be on now, but he was certainly being ridden, so not solely used for breeding, thats all.

 

[tristar]

why did he not go to the 2012 olympics ?

 

[Sossigpoker]

He retired very obviously unsound, withdrawn in the middle of a competition as I recall, and has not competed since. I expect he isn’t drug tested for that video.
.

He doesn't look very comfortable in that. Why force an unsound horse to work like that ?

 

[oldie48]

why did he not go to the 2012 olympics ?

The reason given was that Rath had glandular fever and he was not available for selection.

 

[shortstuff99]

I saw a very interesting article shared today, an interview by Reiner Klimke, still have the same issues now!

https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2...-klimke-the-way-forward-for-dressage-judging/

 

[tristar]

oh yes rath was unwell

 

[Mule]

Just going back again to the comparison between the older videos; are the horses shorter in the neck now or does it just look like that because they aren't as round in the old footage?

 

[Sossigpoker]

Just going back again to the comparison between the older videos; are the horses shorter in the neck now or does it just look like that because they aren't as round in the old footage?

I think horses are shorter in the neck now and I much prefer the older footage especially for welfare reasons

 

[Mule]

I think horses are shorter in the neck now and I much prefer the older footage especially for welfare reasons

I think the horses in the older footage do look more relaxed.

 

[Goldenstar]

Edward Gal rode a lovely stallion called Lingh He had I think the best music I have every seen for that horse .
it was magic .
On the video of Totilas I am glad he’s not stuffed in a stable all day but it’s a shame it’s not a video of him walking in the woods .